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[-] amerika@annihilation.social -3 points 5 months ago

@realcaseyrollins @LookBehindYouNowAndThen

Conservatism is a philosophy, not a party. We are realists, the Left are anti-realists.

[-] realcaseyrollins@noauthority.social -3 points 5 months ago

@amerika @LookBehindYouNowAndThen

> Conservatism is a philosophy

Fair enough; Conservatism is pretty broad so it can be as libertarian as it can be fascist.

I care too much about supporting small government and principles over people to want to associate too closely with the modern right, who I feel is increasingly okay with authoritarianism (look at their support of #DeSantis for example)

> We are realists, the Left are anti-realists.

That's kind of a childish way to view things.

[-] amerika@annihilation.social -4 points 5 months ago

@realcaseyrollins @LookBehindYouNowAndThen

I disagree; egalitarianism is an anti-realist philosophy.

[-] realcaseyrollins@noauthority.social -3 points 5 months ago

@amerika @LookBehindYouNowAndThen That's a different argument than the one you put forth though.

[-] amerika@annihilation.social -3 points 5 months ago

@realcaseyrollins @LookBehindYouNowAndThen

Egalitarianism is the root of the Left; it is an ideology. Conservatism is a folkway, which means we prefer time-proven solutions, which requires measurement by reality not human judgment. This naturally leads to a need for social order on a case-by-case basis anchored in a few general principles instead of One Big Idea.

[-] realcaseyrollins@noauthority.social -3 points 5 months ago

@amerika @LookBehindYouNowAndThen

> Egalitarianism is the root of the Left

Are you sure about this?

[-] amerika@annihilation.social -3 points 5 months ago
[-] realcaseyrollins@noauthority.social -4 points 5 months ago

@amerika @LookBehindYouNowAndThen Imagine a horse with two legs. Doesn't mean that four legs are what makes a horse a horse. That's a parts-to-whole fallacy.

[-] amerika@annihilation.social -3 points 5 months ago

@realcaseyrollins @LookBehindYouNowAndThen

The core philosophy of the Left is egalitarianism; this is inherent in their origin both in the ancient times and in Revolutionary France.

"left, in politics, the portion of the political spectrum associated in general with egalitarianism and popular or state control of the major institutions of political and economic life."

https://www.britannica.com/topic/left

[-] realcaseyrollins@noauthority.social -5 points 5 months ago
[-] amerika@annihilation.social -2 points 5 months ago

@realcaseyrollins @LookBehindYouNowAndThen

A couple more links:

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/egalitarianism/

https://iep.utm.edu/egalitarianism/

These are about the philosophy, but you can see the divisions in Leftism from classical liberal through Communism play out in these arguments.

[-] realcaseyrollins@noauthority.social -4 points 5 months ago
[-] amerika@annihilation.social -3 points 5 months ago

@realcaseyrollins @LookBehindYouNowAndThen

For me, getting away from Wikipedia is important. It's enemy propaganda. Britannica does a lot better for quality information anyway.

[-] amerika@annihilation.social -4 points 5 months ago

@realcaseyrollins @LookBehindYouNowAndThen

More likely just classically liberal with some culturally Christian conservative leanings.

[-] realcaseyrollins@noauthority.social -4 points 5 months ago

@amerika @LookBehindYouNowAndThen Possibly. My right wing social values will never change because the #Bible does, but I care most about the Y-axis on the #PoliticalCompass. Can't get down with #Libertarianism because that's too extreme for me, unfortunately

[-] amerika@annihilation.social -3 points 5 months ago

@realcaseyrollins @LookBehindYouNowAndThen

Libertarianism is basically anarchy and that is dysfunctional.

But as an economic theory and a way of achieving indirect solutions it is great.

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