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"I'll vote for the lesser of two evils except for this one important issue that I'll just let the greater evil prevail on so I can feel morally superior to the lesser evil."
I'm flexible on a lot of issues, genocide is non-negoiable for me though. There is no degree by which I will support it and no cause that makes it worthy. I can't be threatened, shamed or semantically maneuvered into supporting it. That's what you guys have got to work with here.
But again, it's very easy to not support genocide, and it's cheap! So it's not some impossible line in the sand. If Democrats want my vote that's literally all it takes at this point, stuff like functioning healthcare, bodily autonomy, fair wages, campaign finance reform etc. I've given up on ever realistically seeing that stuff, so corporate Dems are already getting a lot out of the deal here, but it's entirely on them to compromise on the genocide thing.
Can't support it ¯\ (ツ)_/¯
Well your taxes support genocide so the least you could do is vote to mitigate the damage you pay for. But I know feeling morally superior is more important than pragmatic decisions that actually spare lives.
You're literally supporting genocide by your acquiescence to a Trump regime, but I guess if there's MORE genocide it doesn't count, like a stack overflow. Thanks for sending American minorities to be murdered, we're real grateful to your moral purity.
May I shift gears here for a moment?
This is the trolley problem. "Voting for Biden" is pulling the switch to divert the trolley onto the track which kills one person instead of five (although there may be disagreement on how many people are tied to each track).
I totally get the "I didn't fucking ask for this choice to be put in front of me, so I'm not playing at all" outlook, but the fact is that the choice is there, and doing nothing is a choice.
nobody tell him the engineer on board has time to hit the breaks
Oh, cool, so if he doesn't do that, fuck those other four people, right? You have no obligation to do anything except watch them die.
"Biden has no obligation to hit the breaks because genocide is too popular"
"If Biden is a bad person, it's okay to let millions more be murdered by literal fascists. I Am Very Moral"
"I am in no position to criticize the candidates that represent me"
God knows I've never criticized Biden or Israeli genocide. /s
God knows you've never defended them, either.
Oh, so now I AM in a position to criticize the candidates that represent me, AND do so, but it's... what, disqualified because I also defend them from the charge of being the MORE genocidal choice that will cause millions more deaths?
All-in or all-against, is it?
If you say "genocide is bad, we should stop defending it" and also "it's understandable that Biden has not stopped defending it", have you criticized him, or defended him? Is that a net-defend or a net-critique?
It's a "Know what you are realistically going to be able to extract in this situation considering the current opinions of the general electorate", but I guess being realistic comes second to condemning millions of minorities to death for the sake of feeling good about yourself.
He doesn't realize that US military funding of Israel has been paused many times - including by Biden - as a lever to try to force change. That funding is the leverage we have over Israel. Fully halting it eliminates that leverage, and then what?
Also, the GOP has put forward legislation to remove the ability of the president to pause those deliveries, which also eliminates that leverage in a worse way. Biden has said he would veto that bill, by the way.
I've mentioned this before, as you well know, but it deserves mentioning again here. The fact that you can criticize Biden and there's an outside chance he'll listen makes him the better candidate than the guy who listens to nobody on anything that's not about how to make him more money, with disregard to whether the money-making scheme is legal.
Edit: Let's also not forget that the guy who listens to nobody also uses literal WWII Nazi language at his presidential campaign rallies, kind of all the time - along with an ever-increasing litany of repugnant behaviors, any one of which would have immediately halted any other political campaign in its tracks. But let's not ever criticize that; it's all the Democrats' fault.
I've also said that the people who bark about this, only ever criticising Biden and Democrats, are either foreign propagandists or wholly taken by them. I stand by that statement.
We fully halt it and team up with one of their enemies.
We tried the carrot, now it’s time for the stick.
If only there was an international body charged with prosecuting international crimes, and if there was such a body, thank God it's Biden in the white house and not Trump, who would surely obstruct bringing justice and pressure to the Isreali leaders conducting the war crimes.
If only it was domestically illegal to send weapons to foreign nations who were found to be using them to commit war crimes, that way at least Israel would know our hands were tied if they keep committing them
If only there was an international coalition of nations that could sanction Israel for committing war crimes. I'm sure if there was we would certainly not obstruct justice being brought there
If only the US had a functional military, so they could use it as a last resort to put an end to a literal fucking genocide.
What a sad reality we live in.
Do you think Trump would relent if I was yelling at him to stop the genocide Biden was supporting?
Do you think republicans would listen to moralistic appeals to stopping genocide?
Are there even any full-throated republicans on lemmy?
This 'why aren't you complaining about republicans?!' bullshit is a transparent deflection of responsibility from the people who are actively involved in the genocide. And I stand by that statement.
I think actively denying what the electorate can see with their own eyes is what condemns minorities to their death, not condemning my government for assisting in genocide.
Okay, cool, then you do think that Israel's ongoing genocide for the last 20 years hasn't been recognized by the US electorate. Apparently, also according to you, that means you have a great deal of contempt for them.
I think it's only been recognized in the small amount of time the state hasn't had complete control over public messaging
I think the US state department has actively manipulated reporting on Israel to protect their state interest.
I think Biden will lose in november because the electorate isn't as dumb as you and Biden think it is.
Jesus fucking Christ.
Finally something we agree on.
Them’s the brakes.