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[-] Rooskie91@discuss.online 55 points 8 months ago

I have to caulk it up to young people learning about socialism and communism for the first time, but they're only reading Marx and Lenin.

Like hey guys, they lost pretty hard. Maybe we shouldn't do exactly the same thing and in fact there's decades of work outlining what we should do instead?

[-] OKRainbowKid@feddit.de 36 points 8 months ago

That's the charitable interpretation. The less charitable one is astroturfing aiming to further destabilize the "the west"

[-] hernanca@lemmy.world 10 points 8 months ago

Yes! Their positions and actions are suspiciously very demobilising.

No unity even in the most basic stuff. No willingness to hold a constructive conversation. Things have to be done in their way or you're labeled an enemy. Doctrine above humanity. Incessant nitpicking.

How do they intend to build socialism if they can't even have an honest, good faith conversation?

[-] jkrtn@lemmy.ml 6 points 8 months ago

A "leftist" earlier this week told me that Joe Biden is responsible for Dobbs because it happened in 2022. That's a cosplaying Republican. The red hat will be back on his head end-of-day November 3rd.

[-] Daft_ish@lemmy.world -3 points 8 months ago

It was crazy the amount of red scare shit circling when I started on Lemmy. It was like they were trying to radicalize people by pitting them against the "crazy leftists."

God, please never let McCarthyism make a come back. What a waste of our time and energy.

[-] oatscoop@midwest.social 3 points 8 months ago

The problem is there are crazy "leftists" on lemmy. Your instance defederated from the instances home to the worst of them, so you probably didn't get to experience it.

Imagine people the adhere to some of the worst parts of right-wing fascism, but with "leftist" branding.

[-] frezik@midwest.social 12 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I can understand looking back to them for some useful stuff. "Commieblock" housing served a purpose at the time, for example. They brought huge masses of people into an urban environment with indoor plumbing, electricity, and climate control, which were not a given in their previous living situations. They were meant as an interim solution to last a few decades. For what they set out to do, they were a great success. The only problem was that the followup to better options was never done.

But the Leninist/Maoists can never leave it at pulling out successes like that. It's almost always "America bad", "Holodomor isn't real", or "Cuba only sucks because of sanctions".

[-] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 2 points 8 months ago

This is why I pull largely from my half crazed redneck version of leftism. Cant make an authoritarian out of someone who doesnt listen to aurhority outside of his fucken clan. I will listen to cops and be polite because I dont want the dumbfuck gorilla with a gun to shoot me. Makes it harder to spread the ideas of militant unions.

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

Fuck man, even Marx and Lenin don't cotton to the common tankie arguments about all non-socialist movements being the same.

[-] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 0 points 8 months ago

Is what we've been doing in the US working very well? Maybe the democrat party should look at why nobody is fired up to vote for them, even though the alternative is people like trump. It should be very easy to appeal to normal people, but even with cartoonish opposition, the democrats can't bring themselves to much better. All I'm saying is you're asking some tiny minority of the electorate (socialists) to introspect, when you're better off asking the same of the people and parties that actually have power.

[-] Chiro@lemm.ee 1 points 8 months ago

Cynical tinfoil hat moment but — making concessions to voters to beat the GOP means giving away valuable capital (physical and political) that those at the top would rather retain for themselves. It would certainly explain how both sides only ever get worse instead of better, and how ejections continuously come down to 51/49. They don’t have to be any good, they just have to be 1% better than the other one. A race to the bottom.

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