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THE POLICE PROBLEM
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The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.
99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.
When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.
When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."
When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.
Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.
The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.
All this is a path to a police state.
In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.
Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.
That's the solution.
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How the fuck do they not have 12 charged backup batteries and 2 chargers in every car?!?!? I mean, I know how, but what the actual fuck.
Id be willing to bet the batteries were just fine. Or intentionally not charged.
I'm going to take the under on that bet
Those companies charge the taxpayers out the ass for those cameras and storage. I live in a very small town and it costs $60k/yr just for axon body and car cameras plus storage.
Worth every penny, and far from a large expense for cop budgets.
The LAPD cost more than 50% of the ENTIRE LA budget. Just the cops. Everything else combined costs less than one department.
If that footage is safe/secure/available and makes these murderous thugs think twice about pulling the trigger, then its worth twice the price.
Good PR.
Yeah this should cost less than half that per patrol.
Even for a small town, the yearly budget is likely in the millions of dollars. 60k/year shouldn't be a crippling expense.
This logic doesn't really track because every expense that makes up their current budget is made up of many smaller expenses just like this.
Every expense has to be guarded, that's how budgets work. Each additional expense without a budgetary increase means that those expenses have to be taken out of something else.
Lol, that's crazy.
Definitely getting scammed. There's no reason for it to be that expensive.
Just use your own brains, purchase your own cameras, and use your own storage. $60k per year? Yeah. You all are definitely getting scammed.
But useful idiots will see otherwise, as they always do.
You have no clue what you are talking about.
Even if you would come up with some gopros in fancy casing, 8-9h/day of uncompressed, 1080p video that has to be hosted "in the cloud" (and transferred via 4g or the) for each and every cop adds up pretty quickly.
And don't mind that they surely find every way possible to break them, so take them as basically consumables along with the batteries and the casings...
Do you have any idea how everything cops use is expensive, because it's "for law enforcement"?
60k$/yr is negligible in a department's budget and especially for the value it adds (even with POS cops).
EDIT: the videos are most certainly compressed! But my argument is that it still remains pretty large files to upload and host.
We're talking ~10TB of video data a year per officer, for relatively high bitrate 8Mb/s video. Assuming there's a solid 10 hours a day of footage, and they're working 5 days a week.
For a small town department of say 6. That's 60TB/y.
If you use even the most expensive large storage provider (AWS S3), that's ~$19k/y in storage costs. If you use a more appropriate one for encrypted bulk storage like Backblaze, that's a measly ~$5k/y.
So, per officer. You have ~$800/y (ceilinged to be liberal with the cost) per year, compounding, for storage.
In either case you are grossly overestimating storage costs.
4G transmission costs are going to be expensive, but they shouldn't be much more expensive than the storage costs, data transfer is relatively cheap when you're paying for business services.
I guess the perk is that they don't have to hire someone to setup and maintain everything.