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Tangara is a portable, open-source music player based on an ESP32 MCU (www.cnx-software.com)

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[-] Blaze@discuss.online 103 points 3 months ago

Nice project. $249 seems a bit high, but I guess it's like the Fairphone, they can't save as much as the large manufacturers do.

[-] Apollo2323@lemmy.dbzer0.com 53 points 3 months ago

Holy f*** $250? Wow well it is not for me then :(

[-] BeardedGingerWonder@feddit.uk 45 points 3 months ago

I'm genuinely curious if someone's published a BoM cost breakdown, I'm wondering if there's a couple of super high tickets items in the like the scroll wheel and custom PCB cost.

[-] wizzor@sopuli.xyz 8 points 3 months ago

The cost of the scroll wheel cannot possibly be more than 10€ and the pcb cannot be more than 1€ battery is about 4e and display can be 7-8, chip is 2-3e and passives, connectors etc brlow 5. The manufacturing costs of the thing are likely below 40€, even in small volumes. Assy costs are probably about 20% of the total.

Part of the high cost may be investments in moulds for the casing and r&d cost.

[-] BeardedGingerWonder@feddit.uk 4 points 3 months ago

Yeah, I took a bit of a poke last night, there's a couple of ICs in there that could add up a bit I guess, but even being generous I wasn't getting much last 80.

The cases I saw had the look of a 3D print about them. Original goal seems to have been around 10000, so maybe they're amortizing the r&d across 40 units, little bit of profit and then went and sold 400 of them - nice win for them if so!

To make it clear I don't begrudge them their profit especially as they're open sourcing the thing. The concept and high price has got my creative side going for sure, an ESP32-S3 pro dev board looks like it could handle an sd card, screen, MP3 decode and output to an I2S amp all by itself + BT headphones and WiFi track downloading and battery charging. Slowly talking myself into building a portable podcast machine.

[-] ailurux@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 months ago

Hey, one of the people working on Tangara here. The case we're shipping with will be CNC'd polycarbonate, though the same design also works for home 3d printing.

The price is a lot of little things adding up, and we want to be able to do smaller runs post-campaign and still have it be worth our time. I also wish it could be more affordable, but that's how it be with indie electronics.

Good luck if you do decide to make a little podcast machine! Just be aware that afaik ESP32-S3 can't do bluetooth audio (see: https://github.com/espressif/arduino-esp32/issues/8675).

[-] BeardedGingerWonder@feddit.uk 2 points 3 months ago

Thanks, really appreciate the feedback! Really good luck with the project, love seeing these kind of devices making it into the wild. Yeah totally appreciate the nature of indie electronics/manufacturing in general and your work totally makes it easier and more approachable for a lone wolf like myself to churn out something functional!

Thanks for heads up on the BT audio, my little investigation the other night lead me to the datasheet for the ESP32-S3, the list of peripheral options is amazing, I'm sure I'll figure something out!

Thanks again and good luck with the project!

[-] yannic@lemmy.ca 24 points 3 months ago

It's a project by an Australian team, so one would assume two things:

It's in Australian Dollars.
Australia has experienced severe hyperinflation overnight (or earlier today, for many of us reading this)

[-] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 months ago

Can I get some sauce for #2? News says nothing of it

[-] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

It was a joke.

[-] Buffaloaf@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago

I think it has something to do with Taylor Swift

[-] harry_balzac@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

It all has to do with Taytay Swizzle. WAKE UP SHEEPLE! She will be crowned Empress of the World by chief Illuminatus Warren Buffet and the antiChrist Catholic puppet Joe Biden during the Super Bowl halftime show! Only Trump and Dildoboy Nugent can save us!!! /s

[-] yannic@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

The only source is the absolutely bonkers price -- that's why it's an assumption.

In all seriousness, if I were to release open source hardware and software, I'd charge a price like that to ensure that my time would be reasonably compensated for what's clearly going to involve small production batches of hand-built-in-the-first-world items.