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In the silence of the Civil War’s Antietam battlefield on a winter day, bucolic hills give way to rows of small, white gravestones in the nearby cemetery. Wandering over the deadliest ground in American history, a melancholy visitor may be excused for wondering if this November’s presidential contest poses the greatest threat to the nation’s future since the election of 1860.

After his victory in Iowa, Donald Trump is the favourite to become the Republican nominee. Leading commentators on the Left warn that, should he get re-elected, he will become a dictator and end democracy. On the Right, meanwhile, the belief is unshakeable that Joe Biden is mentally incapable of fulfilling the duties of president and won’t survive a second term.

These raw emotions are not simply the quadrennial outbursts of partisan feeling that emerge in an election season. Rather, they are portents of a much deeper dislocation in American society. For over two decades now, Americans have been battered by non-stop crises at home and abroad — from the long War on Terror to Covid and the George Floyd protests — leading to what feels like national exhaustion and a deep pessimism about the future of democracy.

Our pessimism has resurrected the once-unthinkable idea of disunion, or in today’s parlance, “national divorce”. In a 2021 poll conducted by the University of Virginia, more than 80% of both Biden and Trump voters stated that elected officials from the opposite party presented “a clear and present danger to American democracy”. Most shockingly, 41% of Biden voters and 52% of Trump voters stated that things were so bad, they supported secession from the Union. Two years later those numbers remained essentially the same in an Ipsos poll, with a fifth of Americans strongly wanting to separate.

For those who believe that such concerns are simply hysteria, we should remember that America’s road to the Civil War took decades. In March 1850, southern statesman John C. Calhoun gave a prescient warning to the Senate: “It is a great mistake to suppose that disunion can be effected by a single blow. The cords which bound these States together in one common Union, are far too numerous and powerful for that. Disunion must be the work of time.”

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[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Oh, okay, we'll just hurt minorities a little bit. Compromise!

I live in a rural area. The old "I sat down in a diner with some conservative rural folks and they were really nice to me can't we all get along 🥺" style of thinking ignores the much deeper and very real divide in basic values.

[–] Facebones@reddthat.com 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Agreed. I grew up in a rural area and lived in another for years. I miss it conceptually but I can't live around those types anymore. Sure, there are some that don't care who you are or what you're up to even if they're conservative, but between your house and theirs is a buffet of every symbol in the book clearly signifying that the people there do NOT agree.

Like you said, alot of it isn't political anymore, it's moral. For alot of people, now it's "religious" which inherently makes them immovable. I fell out with my Dad when I turned 18, but I blocked him from my life for good after he commented recently "Those protestors wouldn't be a problem if we gunned them down." My aunt scolded me for blocking him over "politics," nah it's moral I don't want that person in my life.

People always talk about compromise, and I'd LOVE to be able to see compromise, but it seems to me that the only "compromise" that happens is giving the right yet another good faith inch so they can yank another bad faith mile (and the fact that if you call them out for acting in bad faith that makes you worse than them somehow.)

[–] WHYAREWEALLCAPS@kbin.social 1 points 10 months ago

Yeah, the right is trying to soothe their conscious by labeling what is clearly a moral decision as politics. No, saying that it'd be better to kill your fellow citizens than allow them to express themselves is not political, it is clearly a lack of morality. Hope you told your aunt to pound sand and take a hard look at what morality she believes in that allows for people to wish death on others.