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submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by PassingDuchy@lemmy.world to c/hobbydrama@lemmy.world

Hey there! This is obviously a community in the vein of the reddit Hobby Drama subreddit, but I wanted to check in to see where we want to draw a few rules as a community. So to that end:

REPOSTING FROM REDDIT

I did see a few people were interested in having a bot auto repost from the reddit sub and most of our posts are reposts. My question here is should we have an anything from another site (reddit or otherwise) is fair game to repost with proper credit (let's try to keep those links back to original write-ups, I feel this is only fair to the authors) rule or should permission be obtained from the author first for reposts (basically like r/bestofredditorupdates on reddit)?

DRAMA RESOLUTION WAITING PERIOD

The reddit sub has a 14 day waiting period for drama to conclude before a post can go up. As we're obviously a smaller community I don't see the need to be as stringent, but waiving the waiting period could lead to a lot of biased hot take posts. Would the community like to see the waiting period waived, lowered, remain?

ETA: this post is open for discussion until 7/24 so please do add your opinion even if you feel "late" to the discussion! It's my goal to have the community rules updated by Friday 7/28 to fit our community a little better and knowing how our community feels as migration from reddit continues to take place will be a big assist.

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[-] gina@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

I don’t get fussed about it for myself because I know there is a large population on the internet that considers everything fair game and I post accordingly (not that I create so much stuff that everyone wants, haha). I learned that lesson twenty years ago when I spent ages in MS Paint creating a forum avatar for myself and soon started to see it popping up on other people’s profiles. I realized then that something might be legally* mine, but good luck enforcing that. Maybe most people also realize that and post knowing that they will be losing some control, but I don’t think that means we just give up all courtesy.

As far as sharing, I’m all for it - it is absolutely one of the best things about the internet. But to me it means sharing the link - “hey guys go read this cool thing” and then people can go and read and engage with the author on their work. Maybe you include some quotes with the link to give some context for sharing. It’s the wholesale cut+paste for the purpose of building up a different community that the author is not part of that I don’t care for.

Where I draw the line is a good question and I’m doubtless not always consistent. Memes? To me, the sharing and transforming is part of the nature of a meme - images are combined, text is updated or replaced, etc. Comics? Sharing one panel or whatever and directing to the artist’s site seems like the courteous thing to do, but if you are reposting so many of the artist’s comics that people just read your posts instead of going to the artist’s site I would consider that a problem.

Additionally, one benefit of requesting permission from the authors may be to attract some of them over here. I’d love to have more users passionate enough to write 5000 words about some obscure stamp collecting scandal on lemmy.

Anyway, that’s my 17 cents.

*this is from a US perspective, but I’m no lawyer

[-] PassingDuchy@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Going to answer you down here, but yeah I agree requesting brings us to the attention of posters and might entice them over here which would definitely help the community grow. I like the idea floated below of it being an opt-out request. I know it may come off a little rude, but some of the accounts for the most popular posts on the reddit are abandoned. The WoW one for example the poster was suspended by reddit and faik that was never revoked and OP didn't make a new account or anything so there's no way to reach them.

[-] gina@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

I like the opt-out idea, too. It’s clear that there are differing opinions on the ethics of reposting, so maybe attracting posters over here is the more widely-compelling argument. Maybe part of the notice of reposting could include an invitation to come and post it themselves.

[-] PassingDuchy@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

I'm going to give it a week to see what everyone says, but right now I'm leaning towards (based on replies) strongly encouraging (but not requiring) posters sending an opt out message with a three day waiting period for a reply and then having a takedown policy for anyone who's been reposted here who doesn't want to be. More work for me, but I feel this might be a good middle ground. I mirrored my account on reddit so no one will have to make a Lemmy account to ask for a take down.

I did also reach out to the reddit mods a week ago asking for some guidance on how they'd like to link up, but I haven't heard anything back which is why I decided to leave it to the community here.

[-] Emotional_Series7814@kbin.cafe 1 points 1 year ago

I can definitely say I’ve messaged the mods on r/HobbyDrama about maybe giving us some support, official backing, and it’s been 11 days with no reply. I’ll encourage anything that helps us grow and maybe have people post their content both on Reddit and here.

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