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[-] Strangle@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

How is it specious? Do you know what the word even means?

Fact: there are more people living in poverty after the war on poverty was started than there were before those policies were put in place.

There’s nothing specious about that

[-] HeinousTugboat@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

Fact: there are double the number of people in the country after than there were before.

Fact: social status tends to have generational inertia.

Specious: "misleading in appearance, especially misleadingly attractive."

It's absolutely specious, because you're somehow suggesting those policies failed because the absolute number of individuals went up, disregarding the fact that had those policies not been in place, the number would've been double what it is.

And I said at best, because it's far more likely you're just trolling. But, giving you the benefit of the doubt, let's work through this.

If a family in poverty that's 2 people, has 3 children, that's now 5 people.

If this is the only family that exists, 100% of people are in poverty. If one of those children winds up getting out of poverty, you've gone from 2 people in poverty, to 4 people in poverty. However, you've gone from 100% poverty to 80% poverty.

And you're saying that's a failure.

[-] Strangle@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You’re being spacious right now, trying to cover up the fact that there are demonstrably MORE suffering people than there has ever been.

You need to talk about real people, not statistics. What’s 20%? Who gives a shit. More suffering is more suffering, no matter what the percentage is.

The reason these programs were introduced was supposed to lead to less suffering. That’s been a lie

I mean, what is an acceptable number of people living in poverty to you and when are there too many? Is it a percentage? Or is it a real number of real people?

[-] HeinousTugboat@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

Again: because there's more PEOPLE than there has ever been. Yes, there is more suffering. I have no idea what you expect, the political climate is such that we can't just eradicate their suffering. But to pretend like these policies are a failure is going to cause more suffering. How do you not see that?

That 20% is the number that aren't suffering because of these policies. If you were to remove them, that 20% is the added suffering you are causing.

Is it perfect? Absolutely not.

Have they accomplished everything they set out to? Absolutely not.

Are they failing? Absolutely not.

I mean, what is an acceptable number of people living in poverty to you and when are there too many? Is it a percentage? Or is it a real number of real people?

See, in my world, percentages are real numbers of real people. I know, that's crazy. And I'm not going to pretend like there's some number that's acceptable, or enough, because that's not the point. The point is that the policies we're discussing have reduced the suffering.

You calling them a lie can only lead to more suffering. Hopefully you realize that some day.

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