Yeah, that's what I'm trying to say. I don't think I made it clear. A good example of the sort of thing I'm trying to talk about is setting up a camera to look at the stove if someone is obsessive about making sure it is turned off. I suggested this to someone before and it seemed like it helped them, or at least it was a novel idea they hadn't considered. I know you can't magically "logic" away problems like this.