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You reminded me of those YouTube vigilantes that troll Indian scammers. One installed the remote desktop app they use and let them access a honeypot linux machine just to mock their incompetence and confusion. Then proceeded to take control of their machine steal their data and wipe out their computers. Their reactions are hilarious. It's sad that a lot of very smart people are dragged into it by thugs that leverage debt and physical threats to force them into the scam call centers.
I ended up on a massive Whatsapp group populated primarily by Indian women after I took a content writing class a few years ago. Made several very good friends. I've asked them about the whole Indian scammer thing. One of them said she knows a few, and they do it because they literally don't have other options for employment. Which makes sense. Rampant, unfettered capitalism forces people to make decisions that go against their conscience for the sake of survival. I feel bad for scammers sometimes, other times I feel less charitable when they're scamming my dad...
Whole situation just fucking sucks.
If I had the opportunity, I’d still wipe the scammers computer.
You absolutely should.
Scammers escaping poverty by putting a bunch of others into poverty is the very definition of a capitalist and cancer.
Eat the rich just as you would zap cancer.
It's always an excuse that criminals make - that they don't have any other options for employment. It's a shitty excuse when 95% of the country is employed and don't scam people. It's easy money for them, nothing more.
To be fair, India has about a 10% unemployment rate as of 2023.
Those people chose to not scam people I assume, otherwise they would count in the employed (by scammers)
I've done a lot of thinking about the scam market, and there is no way it isn't some kind of "CIA is behind the cartels" situation.
Primary target? Elderly Americans.
Objective? Bring generational wealth to institutions.
FCC could stop the vast majority of this shit by using techniques similar to DKIM via VOIP to stop spoofing (STIR/SHAKEN). This problem is solved. Has been for a while.
I can only assume they don't drop the hammer because they can take a cut instead.
you have way too much faith in a government agencies ability to see, understand, and act on a situation.
Thinking they're too dumb to do this shit is exactly what they want from you
Do you really think only Americans are targeted by scammers?
I think 80 year old Americans have a disproportionate amount of global wealth, so they are a, as I said, primary target. Yes.
Give it 15 years and then focus will shift to be predominantly toward UAE.
As a European I can assure you 80 yo Americans are living in poverty compared to most Europeans.
I know that Americans can't see the other side of the ocean but scam calls are made everywhere.
I love these Americans who live in their tiny bubble of "America is rich as hell". In Europe we mostly compare America with countries like Russia and other large but poor countries.
Americans wealth index only trails behind Iike 3 EU countries. Your statement is googlably false. (Germany, Norway. Not France Not Britain, not Spain, not Italy...not most of Europe).
Edit: also, laughs in GDP
So you’re buying that explanation that a scammer is escaping poverty by putting a bunch of someone else’s into poverty?
You just defined Bezos. Lol. You just got double scammed.
As much as a person could find a reason to feel sorry for them they unnecessarily verbally abuse people they are scamming and that was a choice they made. Their hands are not clean from playing a villain.
And escaping poverty by putting someone else in poverty …that’s the capitalist game. No ethics is part of the package. They are not victims.
I didn't say they were only victims. I just say it's a sad situation all around.
It’s not sad for a capitalist who uses the ‘I escaped poverty’ while sinking others into poverty to do it.
You are all over this thread harassing people. I don't care about your opinion. Don't talk about crap you don't understand. Watch the myriad of YouTube channels that cover the scam industry in India. Some people have their family and lives literally threaten with death to pay debts working for scam call centers by literal gangsters. That is sad. I'm not putting my hands in the fire for anyone. But that is also the product of an exploitative capitalist mindset. None of the people actually making the phonecalls are “escaping poverty”. It's the owners of the computers and offices and bank accounts that accrue the scam money who are getting rich. And those people rarely set foot in the actual call centers.
He's just a troll. I have seen many comments from this person They're not even consistent in their opinions. Looks as if they make up shit, probably just asking for attention rather than contributing to the discussion.
I’m allowed to engage in a forum where I talk to other people other than just you. You are not my world and I don’t need your approval.
‘Harass’ said the person who’s obsessed with me.. I think you are personalizing this a lot.
Then why are you here talking to me about my opinion ?
You aren’t my boss in life. But this is easily fixed with the block button so this is a choice that you made. I didn’t force it on you to either read it or not.
welcome to poverty. This is what happens to people who can’t afford care too. Life is not fair to impoverished but that is NOT nor is it EVER an excuse to impose that on someone else.
Scamming someone else is not sad. It’s infuriating and it’s gross when you give it such an excuse as empathy to con or hurt others. They should own they harmed someone.
Yet here you are.
And here you are infighting instead of attacking the mindset.
Also you: “* Some people have their family and lives literally threaten with death to pay debts working for scam call centers by literal gangsters. *”
Yeah and if the person on the phone is no longer in debt and the person on the other side of the line is, they benefited. They are still a villain.
Man, do you just hate empathy or something? Are you OK?
I don’t for someone who scams someone else and thinks they can apply the exact scenario to the person on the line.
This isn’t a scenario where someone outran a slower person to let a tiger eat them.
They brought the tiger TO THEM full well knowing they are too slow to run.
Have you watched the latest Kitboga? Pretty heartbreaking, though it has a happy ending.
Honestly, my favorite of his was putting scammers through the Neal.fun password game. That thing is hard enough if you know what's going on
That one is brilliant. Watched it with friends in voice chat near enough when the video came out.
I have seen those, so first I played along a bit. "Oh, these hackers must be very good. Please help me". But I had things to do so I cut it short.
I never thought one of them would call me. I'm so much outside the target demographic. They might be getting desperate to find targets.
You don’t need threats, that’s the career path for CS degrees