(Please see comments)Alternatives to Signal if they exit EU due to ending E2EE (lemmy.world)

submitted 8 months ago by RangerAndTheCat@lemmy.world to c/privacyguides@lemmy.one

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Like the title states looking for E2EE apps (Android and iOS) without going into much details or needs to be robust enough and easy to use for anyone and stable for operations that are susceptible to constant electronic warfare. I did some research and thought about replacing Signal with Molly and wondering if it will still work if Signal leaves the EU, but am also worried about its updates to patch vulnerabilities in a timely manner. I appreciate the help I am a “Jack of all trades and master of none” when it comes to these types of programs, but am also the go to currently in my unit since I am somewhat knowledgeable about exploits and attacks that can compromise systems would be great if there was an desktop as well (like Signal) and would also be nice if it was FOSS and auditable ( I know that’s kind of redundant ) I know it’s a tall order to ask but figured I would try. I really appreciate the help so much and hope I did things by the rules here and don’t get flamed if this has already been covered ( I searched but my skills with searching the fediverse is low. ( Going to ask in the other privacy community as well but am not spamming)

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[-] inspxtr@lemmy.world 15 points 8 months ago

Based on privacyguides suggestion page itself, SimpleX chat would be the next in line you can try.

Briar is only for Android AFAIK. Matrix/Element does offer E2EE chat/vid but, based on the page, it’s not recommended for long term sensitive use.

Regardless, with the current situation against encryption, any app that stays will be subject to similar conundrum about leaving/abiding the law like Signal. The ones abiding may need more scrutiny, of course.

[-] elia169@kbin.social 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Briar can be distributed from device to device via a direct download and works without relying on a central server. You can even chat without access to the internet via bluetooth or external storage. I don't think getting rid of Briar is going to work... ;) What I'm trying to say is that Briar was also made with laws like these in mind, and it will be able to continue existing even if Briar would be forced to somehow disable downloads from the eu.

[-] BastingChemina@slrpnk.net 2 points 8 months ago

Briar is probably the best bet if we want something that works despite any governmental effort to break encrypted messaging.

I never really used it (I don't have anyone around it interested to try it with me :'( ) but I would be interested to hear more about it if anyone has experience with it.

[-] RangerAndTheCat@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

Thank you I was kind of afraid of that.

[-] nerdschleife@lemm.ee 1 points 8 months ago

Can you elaborate about Element/Matrix?

[-] inspxtr@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

I’m quoting the page that I linked from privacyguides warning

These messengers do not have Forward Secrecy, and while they fulfill certain needs that our previous recommendations may not, we do not recommend them for long-term or sensitive communications. Any key compromise among message recipients would affect the confidentiality of all past communications.

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