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[-] kava@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Freedom of speech is an ideal before it is a law. Even if we lived in a utopian classless society without a government we could still have the concept that everyone deserves the right to say what they wish.

If it can exist without the government then logically it cannot strictly refer to the government.

[-] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago
[-] kava@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

From your peers. For example if I say I am an atheist in a group of religious people and they kill me because of it - I don't have freedom of speech.

[-] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago

That's not what freedom of speech is.
You obviously have no desire to learn anything so I'll just say have a good day. Enjoy.

[-] kava@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Go to Google and search "define freedom of speech"

the right to express any opinions without censorship or restraint.

It doesn't say government anywhere there. I think I know where you are coming from - lots of people complain about private businesses or organizations not honoring freedom of speech and they may not be aware that legally only the government gives you the right to speech.

Ie a business can tell you to leave if you say something offensive or a university doesn't have to accept a fascist lecturer.

I think you learned something about that and want to tell everyone but don't worry - everyone knows. I'd imagine most people here are college educated.

Freedom of speech is an ideal borne out of the enlightenment. Just like the pursuit of happiness or liberty. These ideas are not inextricably tied to governments.

For example a slave owner giving their slave freedom. Nothing to do with government but it is an expansion of liberty. Of course modern liberal governments also guarantee liberty but it didn't originate the idea nor has exclusive use of the concept.

It's a general, abstract thing.

Also you're right, I have no desire at all to learn from you because I have determined you're out of your element. Really this message is for other people reading

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