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[-] KillAllPoorPeople@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

This is such an incredible leap in logic.

You can say that having kids is selfish, which it objectively is (no matter if they're perfectly healthy/wealthy/on top of society or not), but also want to "build a society and world that will accept us, accommodate to us, liberate people and save the planet."

Focusing on just kids with disabilities and not every kid is fucked though, with a lot of these people in these spaces.

[-] KrasMazov@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 1 year ago

Why is it a leap in logic? And why having kids is objectively selfish? Genuinely asking.

[-] KillAllPoorPeople@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

You straw man the position and say following the conclusion of the straw man, humanity must end based on their logic.

How isn't having kids selfish? You're not having a child for this child's sake. You're having the child for your sake.

[-] KrasMazov@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You straw man the position and say following the conclusion of the straw man, humanity must end based on their logic.

Ok, what straw man? I've talked about it on the individual level and also in case such ideology spreads, there is literally people that advocate for the end of humanity on the antinatalist ideology, I do not follow it closely to be able to say if it is a big part of it or not, but I've seen it before and seen the stance getting praised and this is extremely dangerous. I'm not making this argument because of the possibility it might happen, being realistic it won't, but because it just helps spread bullshit that blames everything on humanity itself like we are inherently bad.

How isn’t having kids selfish? You’re not having a child for this child’s sake. You’re having the child for your sake.

That makes no sense to me, deciding to birth another human being and dedicating your life to them is the opposite of selfishness. Of course not everyone is like this, and people that just makes children and doesn't give a shit about them are selfish, but the act itself is not.

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