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[–] unknownuserunknownlocation@kbin.earth -1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

That's exactly the problem, though - if they feel like just one part of their opinion being outside the group thing will get them chastised, well there's something wrong there. It has to be possible to disagree with people and still listen to them. Because that's how you get them to listen to you, which is the only real chance you have to change their opinion long term.

[–] velma@sh.itjust.works 24 points 4 days ago (1 children)

We’ve been tolerable of the intolerant long enough.

[–] unknownuserunknownlocation@kbin.earth 0 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I don't know what you're referring to, I don't remember when we have been particularly tolerant towards people who think differently. This opinion has gotten me at least as much flak a decade or so ago as today in circles like these.

[–] velma@sh.itjust.works 8 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

At least in the US, there was a very specific time where we were absolutely too tolerant with the intolerant and that has directly led to our political quagmire now:

Paradox of tolerance: if a society extends tolerance to those who are intolerant, it risks enabling the eventual dominance of intolerance, thereby undermining the very principle of tolerance.

Failure to punish Confederates after the Civil War created culture of impunity that shields Trump today

[–] unknownuserunknownlocation@kbin.earth -2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Which very specific time are you referring to? You just linked to a Wikipedia article on the paradox of intolerance, which even explains how it's not nearly as simple as you present it. And the other article you linked is an opinion piece that shows more of a pattern than a causational relationship.

[–] velma@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I'm clearly referencing the time after the American Civil War when the traitors weren't punished enough.

[–] unknownuserunknownlocation@kbin.earth 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

... And there are many years between then and now. I was talking about the last few decades.

But you know, you have kind of proven my point ITT. You may not be outright chastising anyone, but you're pretty sarcastic with anyone who doesn't agree with you and act like your opinion is the only correct one and anyone with a different one is less than you. People don't like being treated like that, so no wonder they just say "I don't do politics" - because they probably have more self respect than I do.

[–] velma@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

It's not my fault that you didn't read my comment that was perfectly clear that the time I was referencing was right after the American Civil War.

I wasn't being sarcastic despite you reading it that way. You were wrong. Deal with it.

[–] unknownuserunknownlocation@kbin.earth -1 points 4 days ago (1 children)
[–] velma@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 days ago

Of course I'm being sarcastic to you now, you settled on personal attacks after it was revealed you were in the wrong.