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Kernel Summit: "The time has come to make it harder for new people to contribute code to the kernel." -- Linus Torvalds reacting to AI assisted code contribution flood (infosec.pub)

submitted 4 days ago by cm0002@infosec.pub to c/linux@programming.dev

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"Torvalds said that the time has come to make it harder for new people to contribute code to the kernel. People like Kroah-Hartman have spent years trying to teach people how to contribute; it is time to stop doing that, he said."

https://lwn.net/Articles/1099594/

It is difficult to summarize exactly how Linus got to this point. Most of the discussion at this years Summit appears to have been related to AI assisted code and how the maintainers are dealing with the increase in code submissions to LKML. Many of the maintainers expressed varying levels of frustration with AI assisted drive-by code submissions. Linus' train of thought is that they make it intentionally more difficult for humans to contribute. A later suggestion of his was to create an AGENTS. md that makes generating kernel code expensive in compute and token time.

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[–] kibiz0r@midwest.social 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I’m not a subscriber, so I could only see the summary — which mainly says it’s hard to summarize.

[–] FishFace@piefed.social 0 points 4 days ago (1 children)

So instead you've made up your own, consciously inaccurate summary. That sucks.

[–] kibiz0r@midwest.social 3 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Help me out then. What’s inaccurate? What would an accurate summary be?

We’ve got an earlier declaration from Linus on his stance towards AI, and a couple paragraphs about maintainers being overwhelmed by AI-assisted submissions, and an alleged statement from Linus that it’s time to make it harder to contribute.

I would argue that “let people use AI” is a fair summary of his earlier declaration, and that reports from overwhelmed maintainers do indicate that “people started using AI”.

So that leaves whether the current proposal of “making it harder to contribute” stems from “damn people using AI”.

Surrounding context in the summary certainly seems like there’s a causal link there, but if you have information that shows that the “harder to contribute” policy recommendation is not related to people using AI, I’d be very interested to learn more.

[–] FishFace@piefed.social 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Calling it "damning" people goes beyond the facts, and is antagonistic.

[–] kibiz0r@midwest.social 2 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

That’s not the way I was using “damn” there, and that’s also not the usual usage of the meme format. I meant “damn” as an adjective. Like “those damn kids”. Not as a verb, like “damn those kids”.

It’s clear there’s some frustration, right? I think it’s fair to use “damn” in that way.

Edit:

This better?

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 0 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Lol if you used a comma after the word damn, I think no one would've taken issue with your meme. It completely changes the meaning to leave it off! It also would've worked to put the comma after people. Which seems closer to what you meant.

[–] kibiz0r@midwest.social 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Well damn.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world -2 points 4 days ago

Haha yeah, I never considered that it wasn't being used as a verb.

[–] degen@midwest.social 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

"AI can be used responsibly as long as people still use their brains"

People start using AI, stop using their brains

"Not like that. Stop that."

[–] kibiz0r@midwest.social 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

That does seem like an accurate summary. And still fits perfectly in line with the stick-in-bike meme.

Or this:

[–] degen@midwest.social 2 points 4 days ago

That's the stance though, not the solution. Explicitly requiring more effort where it was previously implied would be a solution.