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Is Vibe Coding the Norm Now? [rant/vent/advice welcome] (beehaw.org)

submitted 3 days ago by luciole@beehaw.org to c/programming@programming.dev

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Hello programmers! I’ve been making a living for a couple of decades figuring out stuff for people and coding whatever will make them happy. It’s fun. I’ve grown to prefer the people to the coding but I still get a kick out of the whole thing.

The problem is: at the job we’re being asked to pivot to vibe coding. At this point the order is to use it for all code, read the slop carefully, argue with the machine for way too long and only then open that PR. Massive productivity gains are expected. I’m appalled from an ethical, philosophical and professional standpoint. We’re a non-profit ngo ffs. My colleagues are fine with it. If I get even slightly critical the group goes awkwardly silent and I get comments on how all the programmers they know from other places don’t code anymore.

If this is how it goes from now on, I’m out. Is it really though? Are all businesses switching to vibe coding? Have some of you started switching career? I think I want to go to meatspace. Hand-made coding could make a cute hobby.

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[–] tatterdemalion@programming.dev 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

OK what game am I playing, and who wrote the rules that say I cheated?

[–] PokerChips@programming.dev 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

That was more of a royal "you" because I think we've all been guilty of it by now.

I don't know who wrote the rules but I don't think we should not be calling people vibe coders just because they reviewed it. That's resetting us under a dystopian playbook.

[–] tatterdemalion@programming.dev -1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I think your initial criticism is too easy to refute. If someone wants to criticize me for using LLMs because they're bad for the environment or because they're built on stolen IP, sure we can have that more nuanced discussion.

But telling me that I'm "cheating and I didn’t use my own cognitive utilities" -- you have no idea how I use LLMs. You're just assuming that I'm putting zero critical thought into the code I'm submitting. I review every line of code I submit, regardless of whether it was generated by LLM, written by hand, or a combination of both. And it is a laborious task; but my labor is more focused on decision making and designing tests than typing and fighting a compiler.

I haven't measured my productivity in any meaningful way, so I won't try to argue that LLMs are strictly more productive. That's a separate discussion. All I can say is that I prefer the workflow where I can describe my thoughts in natural language and then review generated code more than writing the code myself.

[–] chloroken@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Lmao the last line in this comment is literally you admitting you prefer avoiding to use your brain to code.

AI slop mfers will literally write a book in defense of their AI use and then go "but yeah, I actually do suck" at the end.

[–] tatterdemalion@programming.dev 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Explain how I'm not using my brain.

Also in what universe is 3 short paragraphs a "book"?