PS: The point here is NOT that poor people shouldn't have kids, it's that no one should be having kids without having the basics of childcare covered, which necessitates widespread systemic, societal, and economic change so that no parent needs to worry about those basics, and kids can grow up in secure, healthy environments. I completely forgot to mention this when I originally posted it, and that's my bad.
This is far too much "breeding is a privilege for the rich" for my tastes. Touch too much Eugenics.
"Just don't have kids" is a horrible solution.
"fix the system so people can make their own choices about having kids" is the actual solution.
Thats the point of the post. The user calling out "selfish is doing too much work" is saying that its not the individual who is to blame, its society.
if you look at destructdisc’s post history that is definitely not the point. they are a childfree instagram edgelord hot take monger.
Not the lemmy user, the actual image they posted. That phrase is in the graphic. Seems like the lemmy user didnt actually understand the image they posted then, but i dont follow users like that, im just looking at this one post
unfortunately they post like 90% of the content here so it's hard not to notice.
lol ‘don’t have kids you can’t afford’
what a hot take
Yes, it is a hot take. At best, it's capitalist victim blaming, and at worst it's social darwinism.
You are blaming poor people for wanting a family when it should be a basic right for those who want it. We as a society should be ensuring our children are taken care of with healthcare, nutrition, education, etc.
To be clear, I am 100% child free myself, but I acknowledge that we collectively need kids from all backgrounds for a healthy society to persist.
I mean, yes but... at the same time the people that already have kids that are insufficiently fed /housed mayyyybe shouldn't be shooting for #5 and #6 etc.
sure, you can cherrypick extreme examples of any human behvavior to get angry at.
It's not that extreme, and I mainly just it as an example because it's something I've seen often enough for a variety of reasons (religion, Gov't cheques, etc).
That said, stuff like Elon and his quest to artificially impregnate at many women as possible with his progeny is just as messed up.
For those of us that aren't crazy rich arseholes, having one's first kid is often a trade off between an age when financial security is more likely, of prime birth/parenting years when one has a lower chance of complications/defects/etc, and then the issue of age gap between offspring after.
it’s not a hot take to admit we physically cannot support the current human population much less continue to grow
don’t put words in my mouth
my personal stance is in agreement with you and an actual first world community that valued children would help those willing to have them afford to do so
i just don’t think parenthood should be winged otherwise, it only harms the child
sure but until we put money into that all we do is create suffering
I mean, yeah, I agree. A kid should be one of the most serious choices a human can make. And the ability to safely make that choice (especially the choice to skip it) should be our civilization's clearest priority. The fact that it's treated with such utilitarian callousness by the billionaire class is unequivocally sociopathic.
Like... fuck, being a parent is hard work. The right to take a step back and give it some thought and prep is just a no-brainer.
It's not a "hot take" in a world violently controlled by the disgustingly privileged.
idk the wealthy seem to be plenty pissed about the poors not breeding enough. Seems like good leverage.
You can tell who is from the USA and who isn't in here.
The USA ain't fixing shit anytime soon. People here are still trying to figure who gets to pee in which bathroom and if teaching is a real job.
Where does that mean I'm from? 🤔
long as you fix the system before having the kids i ageee
And now we're back to eugenics.
population control is a must, the only question will be how messy it will be and how fucked up things will be when we finally are forced to do what we should have long ago
What's simpler
Just don't have kids and cope with the face that it's not the best solution
fix the system
The real solution is acrually this:
Youre welcome 😁
That depends on how much someone wants kids.
Either one could be very complicated.
The rich want poor to have kids so they have more chattel. I don't think it's eugenics at all, the rich wouldn't know what to do with fewer wage slaves.
Skip having kids, even if you want to, just to own the rich? 🤔
Gonna be honest, I had hoped there would have been a revolution by now lmao. In this current society? Yeah, I’m not having kids just so they can grow up and have to work for assholes.
well ya.
If I told you that I was gonna hire a politican or group of politicans to 'Epstein' and rob your child every day that they worked for me(YES even after theyve become an adult) .... why in the fuck would you have that child?!
THATS literally the world we live in today.
AND also better yet , after Ive 'Epsteined' them and robbed them...I can just blow them up instead if I feel like it! We see thst happening with abandon all over Colombia , The Congo, Sudan, PAlestine , Lebanon, Iram, Yemen, Syria, etc... (theblist is almost endless)
AND better yet, after Ive done all those horrible tjings to them , how about I also destroy their life and livelihoods with climate change. Ill be fine in my multipurpose military yacht or my spaceship or my militarized mansion on the mountains . The IPCC has already confirmed that even if we stop using GHGs as I type tjis we shall live im an nearly. apocalyptic world for the next 50-200 years!
Okay... But there's so much more to life than that.
People work jobs they enjoy, have relationships, have experiences and generally love living.
To arbitrarily deny someone existence because of a shadow focused view of the world or an imagined joyless experience is at best pessimistic and at worst a projection of the parents fears onto the imaginary child.
I shouldn't exist. Due to medical complications during pregnancy my mother was advised to abort me. She gave birth to me and instead raised me badly 🤣
I'm glad that's the way it happened. Life is hard sometimes but it's also wonderful a lot of the time.
The issues you name are real, as real as the joys and pleasures of existence.
There's a reason even mad Max fights to survive. Because even that world is better than not existing. If he wasn't born, he doesn't get to make that choice.
OK it was JOYFUL for YOU
YOU can go on with your life and be joyful with YOUR joyful life. Have fun buddy I guess 🤷🏿♂️
As for me? Ive been robbed, shot at, socially isolated due to the color of my skin and my poorness , left broke even after working long hours, and other awful things that have made me very bitter , and very VERY deranged. A person like me cannot be happy in a world like what we have created today and bbecause Im not happy I feel that my child will also be as unhappy as I am(and seeing as how I am actually surprisingly poorer than my parents ? Im pretty fucking sure that Im fucking right)
Also knowing how idiotic I am? I cannot guarantee that child will be alive by the time theyre an adult . I have done many stupid things that havve almost granted me a Darwin Award.... So what would happen to my child if they accompanied me on those things?
And there are people all over the planet just like me ... And youre tellling us tto put a child under our care?...
So YES I am clearly justified in denying my aethereal child from suffering all the BS I have suffered or that they could suffer under my care. And also denying my aethereal children from suffering of all the awful shit I have read of on the news.
Also its been shown that unhappy people like me tend to not have children anyways : https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5505668/
....Also ....mad max is a fucking movie....it doesnt apply to real life....wot?!
Stfu and log off instead of spreading your ignorant privilege all over the Internet.
Well I am in therapy.
To inflict the pain, anxiety, and suffering a childhood in poverty brings on a person because you wanted unprotected sex is pretty fuckin selfish. You are who the meme is talking about.
I'm sure there's a few weirdos that think this but it's not generally true.
Kinda wild to go on a childfree forum and be surprised people primarily talk about not having kids for various reasons.
And yes, being unable to afford them is a good reason to not have kids. Yes, eugenics also targets the poor. A broken clock is right twice a day.
It's not "surprise" so much as disgust.
So...poor people should have kids they can't afford? And this is something other than stupid in your mind?
Would you advise people to buy cars they can't afford, or houses they can't afford?