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cross-posted from : https://lemmy.zip/post/71321898

Netzpoltik details that police are able to gain access in this way either through physical access to someone’s phone or by intercepting verification codes via a state-sanctioned phishing attack or intercepting SMS messages via telephone surveillance

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[–] urushitan@kakera.kintsugi.moe 13 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (3 children)

Signal doesn’t offer anything except sms 2fa and requires a phone number. It’s a terrible choice considering LEO can do what they did here and just get legal access to MITM your sms messages, spoof the 2fa, and take over your account, impersonating you. The other ones aren’t encrypted. So none of these they broke into are great choices for truly secure messaging.

[–] Zak@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago

They can only impersonate you that way if your contacts dismiss the warning about your safety number changing. If you're being directly targeted by the government of a wealthy country, using a specific app isn't enough to prevent surveillance; you'll need some actual opsec.

[–] Natanael@infosec.pub 2 points 3 weeks ago

Signal offers direct key verification (which you need to do out of band) or transparency log key verification (your device can check that senders who you add by number hasn't had their key change)

The attack here was getting an unlocked device in hand and using the internal sync feature without the user's knowledge, and the solution to that is always to check your phone after an untrusted person handled it unlocked (or with Cellebrite type devices) - or to simply not offer access to the Signal app while unlocked (perhaps even uninstalling it first).

There is no app which is fully secure against an untrusted third party getting physical access to your unlocked phone, especially not if you have a weak PIN or just fingerprint unlock

[–] jungle@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

The other ones aren’t encrypted.

Whatsapp is encrypted as far as I know. But then again, it's Meta, so my trust in that is near zero.

[–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 2 points 3 weeks ago

Telegram secret chats are too, but regular ones are not and you can't have a secret group chat.