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I want to be clear about something before anyone interprets this as me defending Trump: I am not a Trump supporter. I consider him one of the worst presidents in U.S. history, and I have very little interest in defending either him or his political agenda.
That is precisely why I have a problem with memes like this being presented as factual arguments.
The USS Abraham Lincoln really did return to port after an extraordinarily long deployment. The photograph is real, and the ship genuinely looks rough after spending months at sea. But using that photograph as evidence that Trump somehow left the U.S. military looking like this is misleading. The Lincoln had just completed a 286 day deployment, including roughly 208 consecutive days at sea and about 200 days in a combat zone. That is actually a far more legitimate thing to criticize. Keeping a carrier and its crew deployed for that length of time raises serious questions about operational tempo, maintenance, readiness, crew fatigue, and the strain being placed on the Navy. Those are substantive criticisms that deserve discussion.
Instead, we get this stupid little meme that takes a completely legitimate photograph, strips away all of its context, and presents it as though it is evidence of something it does not actually demonstrate. That is intentionally misleading the people who see it, and then encouraging them to repeat the misinformation because it supports an agenda.
That's the problem I keep seeing on Lemmy: a legitimate political point gets wrapped in misinformation because the misinformation makes the meme more effective. People then repeat it because it supports a conclusion they already agree with.
I don't think that's acceptable simply because the target is Trump.
One of the things that infuriates me about Trump and his political movement is their willingness to manipulate facts, exploit outrage, selectively present information, and construct narratives that are technically based on something real while being fundamentally misleading. We shouldn't respond to that by adopting the same tactics.
If we believe our position is actually stronger, then we should be able to make the argument honestly.
You can criticize Trump's claims about "rebuilding the military." You can criticize defense spending, procurement failures, maintenance problems, military readiness, the defense industrial complex, or the extraordinary deployment demands being placed on the Navy. There are plenty of legitimate arguments to make.
We don't need to manufacture evidence to make those arguments.
If our standard becomes "misinformation is acceptable when it hurts the people we dislike," then we've abandoned the very standard we're supposedly defending. Worse, we've made ourselves vulnerable to exactly the same rhetorical tactics when they're used against us.
Being better than Trump and his political movement means more than disagreeing with them. It means refusing to become comfortable with the methods we condemn when they're politically convenient.
I don't see what factual argument is being made in ANY of the three layers of this meme. Or how Trump is mentioned or involved at all. "The ship has arrived at port" with a photo of the ship. Surely your issue isn't with that. "My God, the state of that ship" is not a factual assertion of anything, except that the ship externally looks pretty rough in that photo after that long deployment. And "A passenger on the titanic had a better experience" is is obviously not an earnest assertion of fact either, it's a joke. Sinking into the freezing Atlantic and 2/3rds of them dying is not meant as some serious comparison to serving on a Navy vessel for a long deployment, it's humor. Nothing is being asserted in these memes, nothing even vaguely related to Trump is mentioned, and I'd love to hear your argument for how any of the text or images here are rising to the alarmist level of "manufacturing evidence"
Imagine this was a photo of a WWII bomber returning home after a long and hard deployment, you wouldn't interpret someone saying "wow that bomber looks beat to shit" as some kind of misinformation or assertion of fact or personal attack on President Roosevelt would you?
You say after having all the context presented to you.
Dude, don't be a contrarian just for the sake of it. You know exactly what this meme implies and what it means and how out of context it is, don't even.
Well at least you've retrenched from this is "manufacturing evidence" to this "implies" something. Which in no way are the same thing. I agree with you that it vaguely implies something about our Navy assets and sailors being worked too hard during this war, which is certainly a fair point for discussion, but that wasn't your original argument in any way. So from a motte and bailey fallacy perspective I feel good about that progress. Also a pretty bold move calling your own wall of text on the matter "all the context" but that's rather beside the point.
The stupidest people on this platform hide behind logical fallacies they can't properly identify or use correctly, then call what I wrote a "wall of text." You're like the 20th person this month to use this exact tactic, and it looks and sounds just as stupid coming from you as it did from your counterparts.
Nobody manufactured evidence. Nor did I make any implications. I explicitly called out the manufactured propaganda the meme was displaying and the misinformation it was attempting to promote.
Apparently, you have some kind of disagreement with that. So let me state it plainly and head back down to the motte:
I am proclaiming that the meme is propagandizing misinformation.
Proceed.