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Western society will need to go through an adjustment period where it suddenly cannot trade for goods with managerial services anymore. This will make most things very expensive in the West and it will force the Western colonies to simultaneously abandon many settlements while also developing more extractive industry. The extractive industry ramp up in the colonies will result in violent conflict with the indigenous folks and there will need to be international intervention to prevent genocides. All of this will result in a shrinking of the colonies, resulting in a concentrating of the colonists in less space, which will proletarianize them further as they need to build productive forces to meet their needs, which will turn them into productive members of the global proletariat and establish them as equal trading partners, eventually.
It's going to take time. The colonies of the West will go through the worst adjustments. But Western Europe will also have to adjust as well, and they will more easily proletarianize and overthrow their legacy royalties and aristocracies in order to lessen the burden.
but wouldn't that leave us unpunished for our parasitic acts towards the global south? even if we did proletarianize we still act as parasites, our history can't be changed and needs to be addressed before we can be allowed into socialist civilization, if at all
like you said, the animal gets violent when cornered and that's how all of us are innately, it's just part of being westoid and that innate violence is what concerns me
You're thinking in moralistic terms. Punishment is only useful insofar as it produces sustainable material conditions. Most of the terrible violent sociopaths in the West will be punished by their own working classes when they rise up.
You need to understand this from a material perspective. How do we act as parasites? It's not an individual choice. It's a relationship. The mechanism is called Unequal Exchange. When that mechanism breaks down, it will result in the costs of commodities increasing for the West, which will fundamentally change how they survive, which will, of necessity, drive us from parasitic to symbiotic over time.
No history can ever be changed. And everyone in the world has histories of deeds that cause harm. So anything that starts with "we would have to be able to change our history" is not a real position.
No, that's also impossible. Reparations can only be made through the socialist process. Remember, everything is a historical process. The West and Socialist Civilization are not billiard balls that bump into each. The West and Socialist Civilization are two (of many) sub-processes of Human Society which is a sub-process of The Human Species which is a sub-process of Life On Earth, etc. There's no such thing as "allowing the West into socialist civilization". The processes that cause distinction between the Oppressor and the Oppressed gets resolved dialectically, that is to say with the oppressor and oppressed acting on each other and on themselves and on their context and resolving the contradiction, ending the historical process of distinction and simultaneously returning to the higher order process as a unity (human society) AND advancing to a new historical process (global cooperation).
Yes, the West will lash out. It's currently lashing out. Yes, there will be reactionaries, we've known this for a long time. Yes, the reactionaries will intensify their resistance, we learned this with the USSR. Yes the reactionaries will win some victories. But, reaction is ultimately unsustainable violent resistance in support of maintenance of violent subjugation is an internally contradictory process and it will ultimately cause its own undoing. Yes, it's concerning, because the violence of the reactionaries will be brutal, devastating, pernicious, and morally revolting. But, that's all the more reason why globally we need people, like you, who are aware of these things and are able to apply a level of reflection, self-control, and empathy to support the movement for global cooperation against those that would rather destroy us all.