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[–] SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

My mail gets delivered by a guy walking

How many packages do you think the guy can arrybat once? Every block as a box that the guy walks to and collects to deliver before moving onto the next. Do you think that they’ve walked all the way from the postal office to your house with your mail…? You can’t seriously think that do you?

How do you think those get supplied? Your coffee shop? How did they get the utilities in to provide everything to the block?

You just don’t understand distribution and concept of scale. The argument only falls flat if you ignore major points along the way, like how the mail gets to your guy that walks. Or how those shops get supplies for the food delivery trucks.

And instead of that, why not multi use high rises? The bottom floor has a coffee shop, grocery store, and other amenities, how would you supply those without a road…?

You gotta look past your own nose and see the entire picture dude.

[–] SwingingTheLamp@piefed.zip 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Actually, I live less than half a mile from the post office. I used to work next to it, doing deliveries myself. The carrier brings mail and packages in a van, and parks it at the end of the block, and walks around the neighborhood. For big packages, he may pull up in front of a house. And to do that, all that he needs is a lane maybe 12 feet wide.

Yet, the street in front of my house has a standard 64-foot wide right-of-way. The pavement is nearly 40 feet wide, so that two cars can pass in opposite directions, with cars parked on either side. It's stupidly big for a residential street, and of course leads to people speeding like mad while using it as a commuter rat-run. It's noisy and dangerous, and polluting.

I never said anything about abolishing all vehicles. But between the postal carrier, the buses, the garbage, and recycling trucks, about 50 vehicles a day through here would be reasonable. Instead, it's closer to 2,500. There's no reason all those people need a 4,500lb. vehicle just because the postal carrier needs a van.

Oh, the really funny part is that the street is also a bicycle boulevard; somebody's idea of a sick joke, I think, but still better than the arterial streets. Anyway, there's a local roaster, Cargo Coffee, that delivers their product by cargo bike. I see the delivery guy pedal by here all the time. As well as at least one CSA that delivers by cargo bike.

The coffee shops don't even need cars to get their beans.

[–] SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

he carrier brings mail and packages in a van, and parks it at the end of the block, and walks around the neighborhood.

So they do need roads!

the coffee shop doesn’t need road to get beans.

And just how much more do you think your $1 cup of coffee would be than…? It’s gonna be probably $30-50 dollars. Of course if you miss me saying affordable in my original comment, you can argue whatever you want.

You don’t need a house to live in either now do you?