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in Batman Begins (2005), Batman leaves ra's al to die in a train about to crash while justifying himself with the no kill rule. That's... That's still killing him batman... (lemmy.today)

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[–] late_pessimistic@slrpnk.net 4 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Batman didn't cause those people to get sick or at risk of dying, thus it's not murder.

But he did put (as I understand, I don't remember the movie plot) Ra's al in life-threatening situation, and chose not to pull him out of there, then it becomes murder.

[–] AnyOldName3@lemmy.world 1 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

He technically changed the train from carrying a weapon to where it would drug everyone in the city (except a handful of people who'd had antidote and a handful of people in gas masks, one of which was Ra’s al) to carrying the weapon off the train tracks and into a train crash, but:

he's got a strong defence that it's justifiable homicide rather than murder because in doing so, he stopped a bunch of people from dying.
Ra’s al intentionally created the situation where the train had to be forced to crash by putting a weapon on it and driving it to where the weapon would do the most damage, so put himself in a life-threatening situation.
Ra’s al intentionally created the situation where he'd die unless Batman saved him by staying on the train after it started the process of crashing so he could gloat about a perceived contradiction in Batman's moral code that forced him to save his enemies even after they'd just committed a mass murder. As Batman should not have reasonably expected Ra’s al to remain on a crashing train to prove a dumb point, there's a reasonable claim that it's only manslaughter even if we pretend that the initial train situation wasn't of Ra’s al's making.

[–] Lumidaub@feddit.org 3 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

Ra's al

Is... Is that canonically his given name...? Mr Ghul, Ra's al? Doesn't it mean "Head of the"? As in "Head of the Demon"?

[–] qarbone@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

Pretty sure it's Ra's al-Ghul. So "Ra's" is the given name

Edit: nope, no hyphen. He is an enigma.

[–] AnyOldName3@lemmy.world 1 points 9 hours ago

I couldn't be bothered to look anything up for that comment as I'd rewatched the film pretty recently, so just got the name and it's spelling from the post title and the comment above mine. I didn't dare include the rest as I was pretty sure it wasn't spelled Ghoul and expected someone to decide to correct me.