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TL;DR: Two of the most nicest, most technically proficient people you know just got burnt out from contributing to their operating system and this is just another example of NixOS being poorly maintained.

A year since I divested from NixOS and nothing really has changed. The "flakes" design is still a garbage abstraction invented by a neo-nazi to sell to Peter Thiel and Co. The Nix language has not evolved in any meaningful way (nixpkgs is still the load bearing peg).

Nixpkgs has reached over 1 million commits and is pushing what Git can scale to and is now entirely dependent on a Microsoft GitHub enterprise subscription and a Amazon AWS S3 credits for petabytes of CI/CD.

The community still contains active MIC fascists in leadership roles alongside :votevote Europeans. empoc perspectives are treated as community fracturing.

The nix derivations abstractions has not truly caught on (due to it not even being better than containers resource wise) and flakes only makes this worse with unversioned commit hashes serving as "determinism" and "reproducibility" which have become buzzwords at this point.

I only expect this to get worse and worse as Determinate Systems (MIC ghoul company) takes over and nixpkgs collapses as an independent entity.

BTW they haven't decided on a AI/LLM policy because the steering committee and the nixpkgs core team can't agree or communicate on anything, which basically means NixOS is going to be a AI hype train project if you enjoy that.

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[–] gayspacemarxist@hexbear.net 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

forking nixos is really trivial since the entire OS is one repo. IMO the cache is supposed to act like a moat to push contributors towards nixpkgs. flakes in many ways facilitate fracturing the ecosystem because its easier to compose your own spin. I'm pretty sure that's how DetNix was able to slowly move off of nixpkgs. Maybe its malicious, but channels basically force you to build your own parallel infrastructure. Flakes have many flaws, don't get me wrong, and I don't think they should be in core, but they aren't useless.

I think NixOS could be managed in a more traditional way to lower the hosting cost. These guys are wasteful because there's very little pressure to optimize their setup. Nix facilitates waste to an extent, but most software is inefficient unless you take steps to fix it.

For my tiny nix distro, I'm perfectly happy asking my users to compile and cache their entire own shit a la gentoo. I'm treating the cache as a nice-to-have. Hopefully some day the Lix community will come up with a cooperative cache proposal (maybe based on trustnix and bit torrent or yggdrasil) that's both scalable and secure.

[–] hello_hello@hexbear.net 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Idk if NixOS can really downscale like that (or that has any desire to as you said). In any case, the main issue is the lack of leadership to change the status quo. So inevitably the status quo shifts to Detsys run by fascist collaborators who still get to leach off 1000s of hours of collective unpaid labor each year while selling NixOS to startups and venture capital firms (I mean that AI use thread on nixpkgs got really stinky).

I still miss Nix as a technology (containers are relatively painful), but I can't on good conscience continue to use a operating system whose own conscience is being subsumed by techbros and fascist bystanderism. Nixpkgs being in this awkard linchpin spot of having all the political inertia but being hopelessly civility lib isn't great either.

I've spoken before to maintainers like K900 (iirc who is part of the steering committee) and things like git infra independence is not possible for nixpkgs as it's on track to be the largest git repository (forgejo crashes at the size of nixpkgs and github was struggling before the enterprise sponsor). Nix Floral (the lix folks) also have zero plans to recreate nixpkgs due to the same cost/political fracturing.

[–] gayspacemarxist@hexbear.net 2 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

on the other hand, fuck it. I'll go guix.

[–] hello_hello@hexbear.net 1 points 6 minutes ago

Guix will be less reactionary just purely on the virtue of not being hard carried by GitHub enterprise and a bottomless well of AWS storage and compute sponsorships. So many bad decisions made in NixOS were made because the project never actually had to innovate in the face of logistical hardship.

Everyone can get a flake that's pinned to hundreds of different versions of nixpkgs because the binary cache will never penalize them for it.