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[–] Donkter@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The biggest propaganda, which you can see all over this thread is:

"We tried communism, some people lived through it and it's horrible Russia and China? Horrible." And in the same breath "How did Russia and China pull themselves out of feudalism to literally become 2 of the 3 "great powers" in the world? Well that's because they weren't really communist they were just capitalists using communism as a populist mask while they secretly engaged in capitalism. Communism doesn't work economically."

But the people who lived through these oligarchies lived under communism.

[–] ThirdConsul@lemmy.zip 14 points 1 week ago (2 children)

How did Russia and China pull themselves out of feudalism to literally become 2 of the 3 “great powers

Russia:

  • industrialization
  • exploitation of its own working class
  • stealing wealth from satalite conquered countries

China:

  • industrialization
  • exploitation of its own working class
  • foreign capitalistic empires investments, looking for cheapest exploited workforce

USA:

  • industrialization
  • war profiteering
  • gunboat diplomacy
  • conquering other countries.

That concludes my ted talk.

[–] heartSagan5@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 week ago

It seems exploiting the working class has been true since the times of the pharaoh.

[–] Donkter@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

Yeah, it can't be reconciled with supporting the USA or Europe as examples of doing it "properly" The best reckoning is that the cards fell such that "the west" (so-called) imposing sanctions and trade blocks on "the east" was materially more powerful. Which isn't true anymore since we can see China has started growing.

Also your formatting is messed up, it's a lot easier to read when I'm replying.