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I'm not taking the tankie position but how does Ukraine/Europe/NATO etc. expect to end this war? Do they really think Ukraine will retake the Donbas and Crimea? To me the compromise seems pragmatic and has nothing to do with supporting Russia.
EDIT: Ok just to be clear. There are three positions.
I'm sorry that none of these are great options but dismissing #2 comes off as incredibly callous and naive.
There's other options you're ignoring:
.4: The Russian economy collapses due to the combination of sanctions, "kinetic sanctions" reducing foreign income, and the mono-focus on war-goods delivery causing large segments of the economy to be unable to produce or produce cost efficiently
.5: The various oligopolists and other power bases decide they've had enough of Putin bleeding them and want the good times back, Putain gets Gadaffi'ed
.6: Internal uprisings of some of the downtrodden colonies - prob not Chechnya again, but Far East, and Circassia etc, particularly given a lot of maimed and mentally impacted soldiers returning there
Now I don't think the last one is very likely for a bunch of reasons, but the point is your options are way too narrow.
These all come off as wishful thinking and reminiscent of 2023 punditry. The Russian economy is fine because it's a petrostate supported by BRICS. Even if we entertain them the time horizon is totally undefined. So we wait around while another million people die?
LOL. I think you're the one stuck in 2023 not me
Fact: Russia's refined petroleum production is the lowest it has been in 2 decades since it troughed post USSR breakdown
[(url) https://www.kyivpost.com/post/80189
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2026/06/11/russian-oil-output-falls-for-sixth-straight-month-as-ukrainian-drone-attacks-hit-infrastructure-a92987
Fact: Russia's economy is struggling, although it still a distance from collapse, that's the current trajectory
https://www.economicshelp.org/blog/220766/economics/russias-economic-problems-2026/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/natashalindstaedt/2026/07/13/russias-economy-is-slowly-sinking/ https://www.economist.com/topics/russias-economy
Ok great so just more drones and another million or so casualties and they'll be ready to surrender
You're not a fan of reading comprehension, are you ? That's just a double down on your "there are only 3 options" post and ignores the two posts you responded to.
Maybe there will be another million russian casualties before Putain gives up on his zerg rush and pulls out, or one of the scenarios happens that prompts a Russian withdrawal, but if Ukraine surrenders there will easily be that many Ukrainians slaughtered (we have Bucha as precedent before you scoff), so there's no incentive for Ukraine to do anything other than fight until overwhelmed or a win. That's the POINT of the cartoon.
I disagree that there are no other options.
At the end of a war either one or botb sides need to sell their people that they won.
Example:
Ukraine gets their territory back and joins the eu, including an European army. -> they can sell this as a win
Ukraine promises to not jointhe nato for atleast 20 years Russions in dombass and crimera get special rights, like living their without a Ukrainian passport, more rights for these local governments (like catalonia in Spain) -> Russia can sell this as a win
My point is officially giving dombass and crimera to russia is not a compromise as it was their goal before the war but there are compromises that both sides can save face with. In qhose favor these compromises fall depends on who would be more willing to continue the war if their demands are not met
Why would Putin give up the territory he took? I don't think there are realistic compromises that don't involve Ukrainian territorial concessions.
Your grandparent if it was genetic:
"I wouldn't take the German position, but how does England/France/Poland expect to end this war? Do they really think France will retake the Elsass and Lotharingia? To me, compromise seems pragmatic and has nothing to do with supporting Germany"
They win the same way any free people has ever resisted domination by tyrants. By fighting.
I find the comparisons between Putin's Russia and Hitler's Germany to be profoundly idiotic. If I need to lay out why then there's no point even trying to argue because there's a basic lack of understanding that needs to be overcome.
Is that what you find? Thank you for your wise judgment, professor "not taking the tankie position, but," no comparisons to be made, one country is a nationalist dictatorship hellbent on revanchist conquest and ethnic cleansing, the other is Germany.
The motives or the ideology are not the point. There are dozens of these and none of them are Nazi Germany. Is Argentina in 1982 Germany? Is Indonesia in 1975 Germany? Why not? Same reason as Ukraine: material circumstances dictate what a country is able to do. If you can't hold Kharkiv you're not in the same category as the Wehrmacht. I don't care what a fascist you are, you're not going to be able to conquer Europe and Ursula von der Leyen is not Neville Chamberlain. The Hitler comparison is literally the laziest analogy you can make.
You realize saying "I'm right and you're wrong, and if you don't know why I'm not going to tell you," comes across as extremely childish, right?
Are you making the argument that Russia isn't engaging in ethnic cleansing? Or that they don't have the same alliances as Germany did? What precisely are you separating between the 2 actions taken by powerful aggressors?
"Powerful aggressors" is the issue. If you think Germany in 1939 is the same thing as Russia in 2023 then I have a bridge to sell you. You realize Germany defeated continental Europe and then invaded half of Russia, right? Putin's military couldn't hold Kharkiv. Idealogical analogies are great until they run into material reality.
No hes right lmao. There is no comparison to be made.
Why? Where does the analogy fall apart, specifically? Is there no comparison because they are literally just different countries and the year is different?
Does putin have concentration camps set up where Ukrainians are used as slave labor and then liquidated and then sent up a chimney?
Or was he responding to a buildup of NATO forces along the border and Ukraine killing ethnic Russians within Ukraine?
are those ghosts of killed russians within Ukraine in the room right now?
The allies in WW2 didn't fight because Hitler was putting people in concentration camps.
The allies in WWII were extremely war weary from WWI and waited until they were forced to fight. The "allies" now want to use Ukraine to the last man to try and degrade Russia as much as they can, because war makes them money.
I'm not arguing with you, I'm making fun of your willful inability to understand an analogy
I think a much better comparison to Hitler using a contemporary figure is Nenatyahu 🤷
Well, Netanyahu has never invaded the Sudetenland, so I'm going to pretend to not understand your analogy at all since it's not exactly the same?
War costs money. This war will go on as long as money is poured into it.
Once the West stops supporting Ukraine it will fall. Once Russia runs out of money and China drops them they will fall.
Politically they can't stop it.
Ukraine wants back their stolen territory and Russia doesn't want to lose a war. There's no compromise.
The same with the war in Israel.
This war goes on as long as money is poured into it. Israel is supported by the West and Gaza is supported by almost everyone including the West because of misused aid money.
Ok and how is this helpful? You're basically saying that permanent war is inevitable and trying to attain even a temporary peace is pointless. You're surrendering to the capitalist ruling class and their military industrial complex.
No I am all in for peace.
However the best option of all war mongering parties just stopping and everybody shaking hands is sadly not realistic.
What I am telling you that the solution is most likely solved by a financial situation and not really on the direct conflict politics.
And how exactly does a financial situation solve this? Everybody is making money right now.