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Yeah it's gotta be the daily allegiance to the flag -thing for me. That shit hella weird.
@kadotux @cm0002 @Bytemeister @merc
Having read the Constitution and Declaration of Independence as a kid (they were required reading in school), it seems to me that the flag should be pledging allegiance to *us*, not the other way around.
Man that shit was hella weird growing up.
OMG this. Straight up indoctrination. And our parents were like Rah Rah, GOOOO TEAM!!!!
Shit looks sketchier the farther we get away from the previous world war.
I stopped saying the whole pledge in kindergarten. Didn't seem right to pledge to a god I didn't believe in.
Pretty much stopped saying it all together after 9/11
"I pledge allegiance to the the Flag of the United States..."
Unless you think the flag is a god, you're not pledging to a god, you're pledging to a piece of fabric, or to the design printed on that fabric. Which, honestly, is a lot weirder. How can one have allegiance to a flag? What about the opposite, is it possible to be disloyal to a flag?
...To which it stand, one nation, under god...
Huh, just checked the text and I was surprised to find that the god part was only added in 1954.
Yep, because soviet spies were godless heathens who can't/won't lie about their faith in order to sneak into the US.
It was an easy way to spot them back then. A bit like vampires and garlic.
Yes, god is mentioned as an additional clause, but you're pledging to the flag.
Yes... Pledging allegiance... To a flag.... Representing a Republic... That exists by/for god...
I mean, I didn't look into it that much at first, I was in kindergarten FFS, but I remember thinking it was funny that God was mentioned in the pledge, and how he was also mentioned in the prayers at Grandma's church, and I thought I shouldn't lie and say the "under god" part since I didn't believe.