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Have you ever been disappointed with Linux? (libretechni.ca)

submitted 1 day ago by cm0002@libretechni.ca to c/linux@programming.dev

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Personally I haven't. While Linux is imperfect, choosing the right distro makes the rest of the experience straightforward. And with it's whole complexity, I find Linux more user friendly than Windows. Even driver issues, broken shadow file ownership and KDE specifics only made me more confident about my choice to use Linux after I solved everything.

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[–] spartanatreyu@programming.dev 18 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (2 children)

Disappointed at linux directly? No.

Disappointed at linux indirectly? Absolutely.

Nvidia's linux support: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYWzMvlj2RQ
Ubuntu
- ~~Unity~~ (at least it's gone from main installs now)
- Snaps
~~KDE~~
- ~~Version 4~~ (at least it's good now)
~~Fedora~~
- ~~Forcing their own broken version of OBS that didn't work~~ (they finally removed it)
Wayland
- ~~Not supporting screenshare~~ (fixed with portals)
- Not supporting global shortcuts (currently being investigated)
- Accessibility (currently being investigated)
Gnome
- Not supporting system trays
  - Most people don't want their background apps (discord, teams, docker/podman, OBS, etc...) to be filling up the foreground.
- Not supporting server side decorations
  - Literally the stupidest decision ever made
  - Not supporting it forces all other developers to spend their time integrating their own client side decorations just so users can move/close a window in someone else's desktop environment. (example: https://factorio.com/blog/post/fff-408#%3A%7E%3Atext=Client-side+window+decorations)
  - Not supporting it means every developer has to deal with issues being reported to them that aren't their fault.
  - Not supporting it means every developer now has less time to work on their own applications.
  - Not supporting it means that humanity has wasted a stupid amount of time reimplementing the same thing over and over again instead of just once.
  - Gnome saying that: "it's not part of the standard"
    - Buddy, you're the only one holding it back from being standardised.
      - Cosmic: Supported
      - Hyprland: Supported
      - KDE (Kwin): Supported
      - Unity (Mir): Supported
      - Niri: Supported
      - Sway: Supported
      - etc...: Supported
      - Gnome (Mutter, and those downstream like Muffin): Not Supported
      - It has... by all metrics... become... THE defacto standard.
    - "It's not in the official wayland standard"
      - Buddy, wayland needs to support more than just the desktop metaphor. It also needs to support things like phones, handhelds, kiosk machines, car infotainment systems, etc... where having a window on a screen doesn't make sense. You are a desktop environment using the desktop metaphor, you need to support the basic functionality of moving windows that pop up on the screen, and you are the only one failing, and not only failing but failing so hard you're negatively affecting all those around you, and not only that but you're also not being accountable to how your actions are negatively affecting others.

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 2 points 7 hours ago

Snaps, and things like it, are really the only one I can blame on "Linux" (or at least Linux distributions).

I've had annoying headaches with drivers for 20+ years, but I expect that because Linux just doesn't have enough users for most companies to bother making sure they have working drivers for Linux. I've been annoyed when some software or some tool or process isn't as polished as the Windows version. But, mostly that's something I got for free thanks to someone donating their time and effort, so I don't want to complain about that.

But, I hate it when a major Linux distribution decides they're going to ignore the standard way of doing things and only do things in their unique way. It often seems like one vendor / distributor is trying to build a walled garden and lock people in. It's similarly annoying when vendors try to funnel people towards their "enterprise" version by making it harder to install certain apps that are "enterprisey".

I get that it's hard to make money selling Linux distributions. But, that's what you signed up for. You don't get to start behaving like Microsoft because it turns out to be hard to sell open source / free software.

[–] imecth@fedia.io 1 points 14 hours ago

Not supporting it forces all other developers to spend their time integrating their own client side decorations just so users can move/close a window in someone else's desktop environment. (example: https://factorio.com/blog/post/fff-408#%3A%7E%3Atext=Client-side+window+decorations)

This kind of things is handled directly at an engine or toolkit level - so no your average developer won't give a fuck. And for those that are reinventing the wheel there's libdecor (official gnome support btw) which your factorio developer is using.