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That is true and isn't what I would support, but the comment above wasn't blanket hostility, not in this context anyway. Pointing out the often prevalent cases of religion being used as a tool of oppression and that it's all based on indoctrination is absolutely valid when discussing the motivation for France's measures. You can of course disagree with it and with the measures discussed here, independently of each other even, but if this is already "blanket hostility" to some people, they should stop viewing religions through rose-colored glasses. I mean, do you genuinely believe that religions are NOT used for this purpose at all? I have a hard time believing that any actual Marxist would see religions uncritically, even with the understanding of them being the way they are as the result of material conditions, and even less so as Marxists-Leninists if one has actually read Lenin's "Socialism and Religion".
And even if you were to consider it blanket hostility, why would this be worthy of a ban and comment removal instead of simply engaging with the comment in an intellectually honest way and possibly providing the commenter a different perspective?
You do realize that atheism is an ideology like any other, prone to the same manipulations?
And that the issue taken here is weaponisation of said atheism by bourgeoise, wielded by rabid libs against whomever empire deems an enemy, uncritically due to internalized chauvinism?
And that you can't argue that republic "kill all algerians" of france is suddenly having safety and prosperity of muslim women in mind, let alone that they'e realizing whatever piss dreams of seculairity they have?
Atheists can of course also be manipulated, but not based on their atheism. There's no organisation behind atheism, there are no specific set of beliefs that you could be indoctrinated with, etc.
I know what the issue is and as I said in another comment, I also disagree with it. But that doesn't make the statement by the commenter above wrong.
Any ideology can be hijacked and changed to serve an agenda. Atheism is a prime recent example with the "New Atheist" cult which turned out to just be a bunch of unprincipled Islamophobes who are on the Epstein list and have recently turned "culturally Christian".
I'd say that's not related to atheism as a whole. Atheism doesn't have some requirement of being an Islamophobe, in fact it doesn't have any ideological requirements at all. There's no guiding book or organisation giving atheists any ideas, it's just a subset of people who are atheist and mixed that with intolerant beliefs of their own making. You could compare it to Islam and ISIS, where one tiny group within this whole set of beliefs made up their own BS, but that doesn't make their ideology the basis for Islam. [Theistic] religions however already have harmful beliefs baked into their scriptures (i.e. Quran, Bible, Tanakh, etc.), which are the basis for the religion as a whole instead of just for a subset of people making up their own stuff, as well as an established culture independent of those scriptures that is often anything but tolerant and open-minded, fueled by the, generally speaking, religiously inherent lack of critical thinking.
So as I said, atheists can be manipulated and whatnot, for which you provided a great example, but their beliefs do not stem from atheism.