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not even Jeffrey Eipstein could make people form class conciousness (lemmygrad.ml)
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I decided to not be bitter and i followed a liberal influencer for like a week (they dont make political content usually) but today they posted that BULLSHIT about how trump is causing wars as a cover for the files and i had to unfollow. nobody is starting wars over that, theyre starting wars for capital and resources.

what the fuck is a ”eipstein class”? just those guys on the files? are the billionaires who refused or were not invited alright with you?

and of course the religious zealots doing the bit about how eipstein was satan incarnate while churning out money for their pastor to buy a new mansion.

the prolecattleiat is not being elevated to sapience by this situation alone. people have to read theory which is why i encourage them to do so. libs, anarchists and conservatives have the balls to talk about how mao, stalin and other leaders were also pedophiles or ray peests so communism is not worth it either so we just need a matriarchy as if a capitalist system would be fine if women were in charge.

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[–] GreatSquare@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Material conditions (think relations rather than stresses) influence one’s worldview, even with relative poverty.

Right. And at the nation level, Global South countries learn that in particular big sectors like mining, agriculture, oil, clothing, they need some sort of nation level solidarity to make the big deals.

If they don't, they get hyper exploited. If they have a comprador class of sellouts running things, they're fucked. Hence this is where the socialist revolutions are going to come from IMO.

The socialist groups in the US don't have that aspect that can unite the masses.

MAYBE AI data centers are a unifying target for everyday people because of how much of a drain on the US economy they are.

Calling out the Epstein issue hasn't really done it.

[–] darkernations@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I should have made it clear; it wasn't a retort against you. I mean look at my other comments on the thread here and the downvotes associated.

  • The "epstein class" ain't some tiny elite when masses of western civil society response to it has been so pathetic
  • the transfer of global value even from the back of the napkin maths above shows that the bulk of the westerners benefit from exploitation of the global south
  • supposed vanguard movements should consider who they are targetting and if they can materially offer more to their target audience more than what the imperialist state can offer. Ie a materialist base for how they may succeed
  • this would involve looking beyond typical bouegoisie electoral voting blocks, and in the US outside the white settler nation

Apparently the above is too painful an analysis to consider on a fucking ML site of all places. I don't see what hope the rest of the masses the western countries have. I share your pessimissm about the lack of actual change in the imperial cores without the Global South forcing their hands.

[–] GreatSquare@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I do understand.

But It IS a good meme to exploit the divisions within the US. There is a perception that the "Epstein class" is hierarchically above the supposed laws.

In a similar way, the build out of AI data centers are a current news item that reflects the unequal allocation of energy and water within the country because of the dominance of a few tech companies in the economy.

Both topics could unite the masses in the US to oppose the capitalist class.

What I don't see is how that would create any coordination with socialist movements in the Global South. It's not in their material interests.

[–] Maeve@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Why isn't it? Clean food, water, air are universal needs. So is shelter. A survivable climate. Not everyone is so myopic, although the majority are. Corrective lenses are about to be forceably applied.

[–] GreatSquare@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 2 days ago

Because the US needs to purchase resources on the global market as inputs to its economy. The purchasing power of its dollar maintains the prices that it can acquire those resources.