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Interesting, thanks for the reply. Just FYI I do consider myself a communist.
Are those numbers in dispute or wildly inaccurate?
I don't see how this didn't poison the socialist institutions long term. How this isn't only a crime against humanity, but also a betrayal or crime against socialism. This many people weren't "too dangerous to be left alive". This was consolidation of power for Stalin and people helping him. Immediate corruption and terror shaping and deforming socialist practice and ideology.
I do think Stalin deserves respect for industrializing the USSR and defeating Nazi Germany - but he simply CAN'T be rehabilitated.
Anyway, I'll see myself out.
The number of "executions" is actually the number of sentencing, and we know people were acquitted of the death penalty on numerous occasions. The purges were a genuine response to real infiltration, and were popularly supported.
Regarding the deaths in prisons, a huge portion came from starvation, during World War II when the Nazis took Ukraine, the soviet breadbasket. The soviets were not oppressing people en masse.
"Dekulakization" was the collectivization of agriculture from the hands of petty bourgeois tyrants that often enslaved the peasantry. This was a necessary step forward, and would have been fully peaceful if the kulaks had allowed it to be.
What you are looking at is bourgeois historiography. In actual fact, Stalin was a more collective leader than his successors, such as Khrushchev. Stalin attempted to resign on no fewer than four occasions, and was denied each time. A cult of personality arose around him against his wishes precisely because he successfully solidified socialism in the USSR and helped defeat the Nazis in World War II.
Stalin was on the whole more good than bad, which is why rehabilitating him is not whitewashing. He made mistakes and there was excess, but this is going to be true regardless of who it is building socialism.
In truth, I really do hate speaking on this topic. I really don't like handwaving human lives like this. The only reason I do this is because it makes people think communism is a force of evil worse than fascism; a sentiment that keeps the bourgeoisie in power, because the alternative is apparently so monstrous that the plunder and impoverishment of the global south, the eternal wars of the world, the destruction of the ecosystem, and the continuation of wage slavery are so so much better.
The vast majority of gulag deaths happened in World War 2 when the supply chains broke down, causing many people to starve.
Indeed those people who died in the great purge weren't all "too dangerous to be left alive", the great purge went completely out of hand, there's no consolation I can give on this topic; some people put the blame entirely on Yezhov, because the VAST majority of deaths happened during Yezhov's leadership of the NKVD, but again putting blame on individuals like this is not Marxist, it was the fault of the party and the system as a whole at the end of the day.
On deportations, I can't speak on that or if those numbers are accurate. But think about what "deported during the 1940s" actually means, it means deporting people during World War 2, during the German invasion.
Also, you kind of skipped the next sentence of the Wikipedia article
Why can't I just say Stalin was a fascist or a traitor like most 'respectable' communists in the modern day? Because it just feeds in to a different liberal criticism of communism, which is that it always leads to dictatorship; I don't accept that premise and you shouldn't either. The Marxist conception is dictatorship of a class not individual dictatorship, even his biggest hater Trotsky didn't take Stalin as an individual dictator, but as the reflection of a degenerated worker's state (though I also don't accept this either as this is derived from Trotsky's distrust of the Peasant class). Stalin was a true communist. I suggest you read some of Stalin's writings, I've read quite a bit of them and there's not that much I disagree with, I don't think you'd disagree much either as a communist.
Stalin is not nearly as important to Marxist theory as Marx, Engels, Lenin, or Mao as he hardly made new additions. But the possibility of Socialism in One Country as formulated by Stalin is to be upholded.
Well, I do think we need new ideas for Communist Theory. It's not just the lies and propaganda about the USSR, it's also simply that they collapsed and failed. So what I'm missing is something like "neo-communism" that incorporates new information and communication technology into communism to be more efficient, realtime and democratic. Or advances in psychology to create tests for who may hold leadership. Game theory about how people min-max to achieve power to end up with leaders who are good at gaining and holding onto power, but not at ruling, and countermeasures. Even generative AI could be insanely useful for a communist economy.
But whenever you look into spaces like this, you're encouraged to read the theory of the "ye olden days". But in order to refute a hypothesis, you only need to show one counter example of where that hypothesis breaks down. And the USSR did fail. So the theory NEEDS to be fixed, patched, improved. But the few communist spaces I've looked into all seem very "conservative" with their ideology. Not that I have much to say on how to do that, besides ideas.
I think something like "how Stalin damaged the USSR and how to prevent it from happening again" would be far more useful to proliferate belief in communism.
The context we are living in rn is kinda the same 100 years ago, nearly everything that is said in the political scene today was first articulated in Europe, What actually changed since was counter revolutionary**** tactics used by the bourgeoisie as it is way more experienced in anti communism, because the class dynamics didn't change, proletariat are proletariat and bourgeois are bourgeois
It is way more complexed than that, there's a lot of parameters into it, mainly it was the opening up of khrushchev that let the revolution rot, also it should be noted that the ussr was illegally dismantled,
Imo the ussr existed in a context yes a lot deaths happened (even though none can be proven to be intentional acts of tyranny) but in the same periods capitalism was creating way worse conditions and way worse deaths, black people in the usa were killed because they simply existed, european colonies were intentionally starving and killing indigenous populations, imperial wars and invasions and genocides are to this day committed by imperialist states,
Your conception of "power" fall right inside the liberal pov and fails to understand how the ussr actually works, and what class dictatorship is. If we call a socialist experiment "dictatorship of the proletariat" then anything else than that should be a dictatorship of another class, which is the bourgeoisie, so "power" falls in the hand of a class, not an individual,
Sorry if it sounds mean but your comments lack some maturity about the subjects, you still hold onto the that liberal logic the imperialists argue with, just read
Marxism-Leninism is an evolving science. Theory written in the past holds up, but certainly isn't all there is, much has been written today and in the last century that goes beyond Marx, Engels, Lenin, Stalin, and Mao. The CPC for example is learning from the successes and errors of the Soviet Union, including the failure of Stalin to properly line up a successor or prevent a Khrushchev-style figure from instilling a social nihilism.
Contrary to your belief, we should not be learning how to "avoid a Stalin." We should instead be learning how to avoid a Khrushchev, a Gorbachev. Stalin built up the USSR during its most tumultuous period, it wasn't him but his successors that ultimately tanked the project. That doesn't mean Stalin was perfect, but he was good.