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Do you (or i) even understand what is a western marxist? Also about china (lemmygrad.ml)

submitted 6 days ago by salim@lemmygrad.ml to c/comradeship@lemmygrad.ml

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I first heard about it through Gabriel rockhill when he was invited in the deprogram, then i kept listening to other videos he made on the topic, i didn't read his or lusordo's books unfortunately, but I think the idea is clear enough for me (maybe)

Basically it includes every left leaning person in the west that poses as marxists (or anticapitalists) but act anticommunist and pro western, they're also revisionists replacing dialectical materialism with bourgeois science and bougeois ideologies,

The first time I noticed the usage of that term outside of Rockhill, was in an Instagram reel about China, then in a horrible red pen video that is also about China, it was so weird for me bc the usage was empty of all substance,

It feels like it's used to shame people about thinking that China is revisionist more than actually serve as a valid argument, and doesn't correlate with the actual western marxist types like zizek or varoufakis,

It quickly became synonym to Ultra-leftist or chauvinist

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[–] salim@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

probably, i just thought that it should be used to talk about the left intellectual industry in the west represented by ppl like richard wolff or zizek, and not just random ppl with ultra leftists tendencies

[–] vyitnoomyr@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

Was a bit miffed as they go out of their way to explain their issues with the terminology western left, gray areas such as Lukacs + Althusser, & clarify it, as others said in this thread which I read after posting. I would object to not engaging with the material further before asking, but I do exactly the same thing on here, even #OnMain.

If you find the material ultimately worthwhile, check out Helmut Harry-Loewen, Adnan Husain (East is a Podcast), and Justin Podur. Part of the same wider scholarly ring. Oh also Millenials are Killing Capitalism has been on EiaP frequently despite some differences of opinion. I think the show has taught me how to disagree with others better! I can't listen to normal podcasts now. Too repetitive. I need scholars who got pissed off with their field's stagnancy. It's that good. They're not trying to cast an overly wide net, they are interested in forming a wider progressive coalition.

It's just important, paramount in doing it, to reorient those progressives' objectives away from trying to attain meaningless concessions in a legal system that will never even maintain them when permitted (by design). We cannot form a coalition with people who have the wrong goals, & frame our most important areas of study as negative caricatures. These are at most people who could learn to mean well if willing to learn. Allies in waiting they are not lolol. It's an ethical question, whether these people acknowledge they are dependent on the most advanced forced labor extraction system in history, but it's also the deciding factor in whether they work towards liberation or faster accession to the inflated US asset market that is FUCKING DOOMED. They act like we're just scolding them for getting terminology wrong!