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There's a popular-ish open source game I remember playing a few years ago, Warsow, and when I checked on it now, it's been forked and while the fork is genuinely better and funner to play in so many ways, it expects to be launched through Steam. I wanted to tinker with maps and stuff and started researching, and while I did find what I was looking for somewhat in older Warsow-related threads, when I went to the official warfork-qfusion github repo looking for specific documentation for the new fork, I was greeted with a link to their Discord "if you have any questions". (edit: to be clear, I mean that there was nothing under the "wiki" tab of their official github except for a brief note directing people to their Discord. No real public-facing official documentation that I could find other than that pointer to discord.)

Yet this game brands itself FOSS, and it is technically released under a FOSS license and their github shows that they are actively developing it in cooperation with a community - just not a community you can be in without accepting certain walled gardens. It honestly sucks to see. I wanna access threads discussing this software, but I won't be able to unless I go through an ID verification process and trust a silicon valley company to both secure my data and not use it in some nefarious way. And to even run the game, I had to accept Steam, which I honestly didn't have to do in order to run Warsow back in the day, and I enjoyed that - what was wrong with just shipping a binary and letting people launch it how they like, with optional integrations? What's wrong with having an open forum for tech questions? Why wall the garden that you're making supposedly open products in?

In short, what do you call projects like this - the increasingly common projects that, while technically FOSS, put all their documentation and discussion on discord, and seem to expect their users to swallow unsavory default options or even use proprietary middle-ware or launchers? Proprietary FOSS?

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[–] veniasilente@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Enshittification, as coined, requires a company, but enshittification, as the principle of the thing, only requires an owner or some sort of ruling body. Heck, it barely ever requires that: down the line it just means "making things shittier".

What these projects are doing is following the path of least resistance, which happens to go toward a walled garden at present.

If that path never before went through an open solution then it probs wouldn't be enshittification, yeah. But in reality it doesn't even need to change spaces to be enshittification: if you required Discord from the start, and it was Discord who enshittified its experience, you'd be enshittifying your product/service by proxy by not providing an alternative means of communication at that point.

[–] Womble@piefed.world 0 points 4 days ago (1 children)

No, it doesnt just mean "things getting shitter". The term was made to describe a specific path that big tech companies have followed of transfering value up the supply chain and shittyness down. It is:

  1. Make a product good for users so that you attract a lot of them but make sure you have lock in.
  2. Once you have lots of locked in users, make their experience shit in order to benefit advertisers to bring in money.
  3. Once you have lots of advertisers and they need to use your platform in order to reach users, make the platform shit (and expensive) for them in order to extract as much money as possible from them.
[–] veniasilente@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 18 hours ago

I am once again asking for you to read what I said

Yes, you can point the precise, originary, granular meaning of "enshittification" all you want. That does not preclude that as soon as Day 2 of when the article was published, people realized the word perfectly describes similar but distinct workflows with the same result. Heck, the Wikipedia page on enshittification clearly describes that different dictionaries have adapted different definitions as they expand from the original, and even Doctorow's original commentary on his original definition (also listed in Wikipedia!) clearly states that on your point 2, an "advertiser" is not required.

Words evolve, because the world evolves (or, these days, devolves). Evolve (or... well, devolve) with it.