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I see. Yeah, a movement that starts in California would obviously spread to geographically nearby regions like Mexico and Oregon before it spreads to South Carolina. I wasn't trying to say that a movement needed to stay confined to one country before going somewhere else, just that it will almost certainly spread from one area to another physically easily-reachable area, and won't be recruiting hundreds of thousands of people at a time until its already comprised of hundreds of thousands of people.
Not really sure why you'd count on people in Canada - or think about Appalachia at all - if you're in California, though. How are they going to help you when you're staring down a cop about to cave your skull in during a violent protest? You need the guy standing right next to you so that you both can tackle the cop before he gets the chance. In this scenario the movement is still on the scale of 10's to 100's of people - you'd need to be looking for allies in your neighborhood before you worry about completely different geographical areas. We can worry about how we'll get people on board in Florida when the movement has gotten big enough to spread that far.
People in Mexico are close enough to hopefully help, but even if they're close, they'd still need to cross the border if your battles are taking place in California itself, which would be difficult regardless of the fact that the border is unjust. Or you could cross the border and start in Tijuana - it doesn't really matter where the movement starts, it just matters that people are able to get there and either help fight or help tend to the wounded.
That's kind of my point if something happens and San Diego explodes or Los Angeles burns down people in Tijuana can grosdtopically be there with a truck of supplies drop it off eat lunch and have a second one off by dinner doctors and experts from BC can be there by close of business if there's still a working airport but Appalachia is fucking far I'd say it might as well be China but fast rail inland and boats means its easier to get things from China than Appalachia its also culturally closer a lot of the same cultural forces operate on the west coast of the continent even if there are distinct regions and that's just not how the governments carved things up even linguistically we speak English with bits of romance languages we can kludge along with or Spanish with secondary English to whatever degree if we aren't fully bilingual yes the person right next to me matters extra the people within a few hours trip of me matter extra but the people in the same country well I don't understand the practical difference between new york London and hong kong from where I'm sitting hong Kong might have more to say their climate is more like ours than those other two country doesn't matter for shit and its a bad word for a bad thing linked to ideas of toxic nationalism when we need solidarity with all peoples who are willing to be in solidarity with us its unhelpful you might say city metro region county province those might all be useful if varying degrees of problematic and actually real things but country is a toxic fiction made of bad and nope with no utility and the people most likely to hurt my friends if I had friends obviously are from and employed by the country I'm in so I'm not very happy about countries in general which also q lot of times stop and make it harder to do the helping because that can kind of refer to governments which are not friends especially when bad things happen
Ah, I think I understand. We're in agreement on most points it seems. It just sounds like when I used the word "country" to refer to a large group of innocent people, you thought I was instead referring to a country's guilty government. That makes sense, since in my initial comment I used the word "country" when I was talking about forcing it to do what we want. In that instance I was referring to the governments - objectively evil people who deserve to be removed by any means necessary if uncompliant with the needs of the people. After that I shifted to referring to countries as a general group of people residing in any given country who would join a movement against their government. Sorry for the confusion.
I certainly never meant to infer that I thought any country was defined by their own corrupt government - it was always my goal to affirm that the people of all countries more alike to one another than they are different, and they are all under the thumb of their respective governments, corralled into borders to keep them segregated from one another. It sounds like you thought I was trying to say people should stay segregated by country when fighting, but I was just trying to say that people from the same country are often, not always, closer together and more easily able to help one another during an uprising than people in another country who are often, but not always, farther away.
There are, of course, scenarios where people are closer to others from another country than people from their own, and in those cases they should obviously join with those who they are close to. Whoever it is that you can group up with is who you should group up with, but obviously the harder it is for you to physically meet up, the less help you will be able to give one another. The important thing is that they're close, so that they can offer physical assistance at a moment's notice in the event of a raid or something.
If someone can make the trip from another area, that's great, but the primary source of support must be local for a movement to succeed. I certainly don't have anything against people from London, they just can't do much to help a movement currently located in California. If we're going to fight something as powerful and well-armed as a government, we won't be able to cherry-pick our support. I might get along better with Canadians than my own neighbors, but I can't rely on Canadians for a fight in my home town - I need the support of my neighbors who are here to fight right now. We need every able-bodied person we can get who can physically be there for us. If people from another geographic area want to come over to help, that's awesome, but we'll need the local people to join in too if we want to have the numbers necessary to put up a good fight.
No I said you might mean that I went into detail about people who while not guilty are not as helpful as people in different countries are you a PISS bot or something wtf I'm not w fan of the government which country can referto but fiesnt always and yeah it needs yo be got rid of in most cases but I'm kind of
Are you purposefully misunderstanding me? How helpful someone is doesn't depend on how helpful they want to be, it depends on how helpful they can actually be, and when you're taking up arms against people in California, only people ACTUALLY IN CALIFORNIA are going to help, obviously.
If the people in London or Tijuana or Canada or wherever want to help, they can come to California, or they can't do anything to help California. They can help themselves in the location they're at, but that location isn't California, so the movement in California isn't going to benefit from it.
You get rid of a government by killing the people in charge. You can't kill the people in one place when you're in a completely different place.
A movement starts in one place and spreads. Multiple movements can happen at the same time, but the likelihood of that happening is pretty low, considering how we still don't have a single ongoing movement to actually get rid of any governments and actually remove those borders we both hate.
I've literally explained this in every way that I'm able to explain it. If you don't get it by now, pick up a dictionary and learn what words mean.
If I'm in San Diego like what we call San Diego not technical city limits in the same way Hollywood is in Los Angeles even though its its own like four cities or whatever I can literally shake hands with someone in tijuana like with my arm and their arm assuming mine are working and they have them this is not hypothetical I have done this look at a map Sacramento is like 15 hours away by car Sacramento is not important even though its in the same country except for government the border the government is the only thing stopping me the people literally next to me are in another county that's the point usually most of the people who can hop over and help you within like an hour are on another country most countries aren't that big they're defined by borders which are governments unless you're in Siberia or central China or like Canada or the Midwest or whatever or I guess Australia but that's still not very many places
Jesus Christ, bud. When you're talking about a place in California, you're talking about the exact location of that place in California, not just anywhere in California. I can't believe I have to explain this to you. If I say "Hey, check out the Hollywood sign - it's in California!" and someone flies to San Jose to see it, they're an idiot. If I'm in LA and I tell someone "Hey, come visit me in California!" they fly to LA. They don't fly to some random place in California and get confused as to why I'm not also in that exact location.
People who can get to the location of a movement in an hour are only helpful to that movement in an hour when they get there. People who can be there in a week are only helpful in a week when they get there. People who are down the street from where the fighting is taking place are only helpful when they walk up the street and GET THERE. Only the people who are actually currently in range of the people we're shooting at are going to be able to join the firefight.
But that's the point the people close to me are not in the same country country is bad don't country my truck cucked my wife from me I'm gonna drink myself to death and I made my shitty husband eat his dog but in like a fun empowering way