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Setting aside the Forgejo issues for a moment, I can't quite see the logic behind the author's description of a "carrot disclosure".
As written, it's a third option for disclosure, beyond 1) coordinated disclosure (often 90 days for the vendor to fix things) or 2) full disclosure (immediately going public, esp when the vulnerability is believed to be actively exploited). But what the author describes as the carrot is to publish only the output of a proof-of-concept, and then the onus is on the vendor to figure out both the vulnerability and the fixes.
This seems wildly irresponsible to me, to put the effort into writing a working PoC but then to willfully withhold it, so as to basically force the vendor into a wild goose chase. And that's the best case scenario, when the PoC is actually legit. At worst, it's a DoS against a vendor (causing them to re-audit code to find a bug that doesn't actually exist, eg hallucinated AI slop) or is a form of defamation to scare users away.
Then there's the issue of when it's not a "vendor" per-se but a group of volunteers of an open-source project, which I will distinguish from commercial vendors as "maintainers". Is it ethical to withhold an already-written PoC from FOSS maintainers, whom often do not have the material capabilities to do a full-scale audit when given basically no clues?
To be clear, I'm not a security researcher and have done zero disclosures of any form. But if I ever ran a project and received a so-called carrot disclosure, why shouldn't I immediately call their bluff and treat it as full-disclosure? This situation seems like Schrodinger's Cat, where the only way to rip away the uncertainty is to throw open the box. Worse case, the project suffers the reputational hit for having a vulnerability. But best case, the vulnerability is non-existent. But what this supposed "third way" purports to do is no different than sowing the seeds of fear, uncertainty, and doubt amongst users. Someone tell me how this isn't one step away from extortion.
I think game theory would say that any and all recipients of "carrot" disclosures should always call the bluff, immediately and vocally. I don't see any way for such disclosures to be anything but unnecessarily antagonistic. I refuse to credit the term with any legitimacy.