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Birth rate and hedonism? (lemmy.ml)

submitted 3 weeks ago by orc_princess@lemmy.ml to c/genzedong@lemmygrad.ml

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Hi everyone, I'm only interested in hearing from comrades so that's why I thought this could be a good community to post, but if you think this is the wrong community please direct me somewhere else!

Today I was talking to someone somewhat close to me, he mentioned countries like Germany have an aging population and a falling birth rate and I pointed out that I believe it's connected to the cost of living crisis (especially with the expensive energy imports and with governments happily destroying the welfare state) and my friend said that he doesn't buy it and that in his opinion it's hedonism (?).

I find that kind of argument unprovable and moralistic, but it caught me off guard and I figured I'd take this as a learning opportunity. Have you heard this kind of argumentation? Am I right to assume it's just a reactionary thing? Is this worth engaging with, even if it's just for criticism, and if so how? Or should I just move on? I can't cut contact with him but I can just change the topic again if it comes to that lol.

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[–] Commiejones@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

“falling birth rates = bad” is often said with a hint of "great replacement theory" hidden away in the person saying it.

On the other side of that is nations like south korea where it is actually really bad. South Korea has terminal case of low birth rate. By 2045 there will be 60 people over 65 for every 100 working age people. The death to birth ratio is projected to be like 3:1. This is baked in at this point, it is too late to do anything. They could import a bunch of workers but they need like 2% of the population every year over the next 20 years to avoid demographic collapse. They couldn't assimilate them fast enough to avoid a "Ship of Theseisnt" situation.

Where things go after 2045 is anyone's guess but my guess is Korea will probably be reunified because capitalism isn't sexy enough.