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Well you've linked a report in French, which won't convince many English speakers. Which are probably the ones resisting your premise.
That being said, I fully expect English to be taken over by another language. However, what put English there in the first place? Economic power. That's why I would bet on Mandarin over French. That's a lot of birth replacement to beat out China and associated trade partners.
Again, I can't read your evidence because I can't speak French. I can't tell what factors they've taken into account. So I just have my opinion/guess.
My money would be on Mandarin but... Boy it's a hard language. The English has a few quirks but it is an EASY language compared to most, including French. IMO, this and not number of native speakers or economic power alone explains best English overtaking French and establishing itself as de facto lingua franca of the 21st century.
Man, as a native English speaker, I totally disagree with this. We are, as I emphasized in another comment, a fucking mess phonetically, and a lot of this is ironically because English plundered so much from French (among other languages). So much of English you just have to "know" on a nearly case-by-case basis, and I imagine the internal systems I use to subconsciously keep track of these inconsistencies are a terrifying web of spaghetti. The conjugation is fucked six ways from Sunday, there are idioms out the ass (see the ones I'm unintentionally using here), there's sooooo much slang, and there's practically a bottomless pit of words – so much so (in combination with how common it is as a second language) that Wikipedia maintains a simplified English version using a list of only the 1000 most common words.
I can't say I've learned French, but even accounting for how much I already accidentally know of it (knowing more obscure English words aids a lot in translation to the point I can often read sentences with knowing just a handful of basic French connective words), I'd bet it's a ton easier. The main thing I'd hate, like I do with Spanish, is gendered nouns (god, they're so fucking superfluous), but I'd still say it beats the weird peculiarities of English.
Most non-native speakers, to my understanding, would consider English quite hard to learn, even when factoring in all the English media they're surrounded by growing up.
All of this is true, and yet basic English is easy. Then it just keeps throwing shit at you for the rest of your life, but then it's too late.
So you're saying you only speak one language, but you just don't believe something like French would have any weird or complicated or confusing shit? You don't sound like you're in the position to even make an opinion. We need to hear from a Chinese person who's learned English and French.
English didn't plunder French; it absorbed a lot of French after the English crown became ruled by the French
Sorry, I meant that for comedic effect; I understand that the English language isn't an agent and that there was no singular instance where English went over, grabbed over 1/4 of its words from French, and came back. I know that "plundering" isn't how language truly works. I do know about Old Norman's influence on Middle English, I do know some about the Hundred Years' War's effect on its usage, I do roughly understand the Great Vowel Shift, and I have a fuzzy understanding thereafter. I guess I know that some political loanwords (like the 18th-century "bureaucracy") and some cultural ones (like "boutique") made their way into English, but I really don't know much else.
Not even going to bother trying to translate it. Their idea is fucking stupid with zero support.
English overtook French as the primary international language due to economic power of the English speaking countries. Even when French was the international language it was not that popular. Only the elites and well educated spoke the language outside of native speakers. Both Spanish and Mandarin have more native speakers than English today.
English has a huge amount of people who speak it as a secondary language. The total amount of people who speak it today is estimated to be 1.5 billion. It is the most common language spoke around the world.
The barriers to reverse this trend on a global scale and swap to another language is almost laughably difficult today.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_languages_by_total_number_of_speakers
Yeah, if there's a new lingua franca in 25 years (which would be strange, because the proliferation of increasingly highly accurate LLM translation would seemingly add pressure in favor of whatever the status quo is), I would bargain on Mandarin. And that's if, which I seriously doubt – even assuming the US completely fucks up the next 20 years as badly as the last 10 and China just dominates the world economy by a vast margin. English is one of the hardest major languages to learn; ironically, the globalism that let it proliferate arguably isn't helping a total beginner as English increasingly pulls in loanwords.
What's a language that's even harder to learn? Mandarin. English is a fucking mess phinetically, but at least it doesn't have tens of thousands of characters and an extreme emphasis on particular intonation. Japanese has kanji, sure, but there's a foundation in the form of kanas which are easy to learn and are phonetic. Especially with English entrenched as a secondary language, pivoting to teaching Mandarin would need an enormous incentive compared to China's incentive to just, like, use an LLM to translate messages etc. bound to non-Madarin-speaking countries.
The point about economic power makes a lot of sense. I guess it really comes down to how well Africa's economic development goes. China's development happened very rapidly, it's possible that something similar might happen in some regions of Africa. But that's very hard to predict. Right now China surpassing being/becoming the world's largest economic player seems like a very safe bet