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Europe should regulate Big Tech instead of banning kids from social media, Estonia says (www.politico.eu)

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Banning kids from social media won’t work, as they “will find very quickly the ways to go around and to still use social media,” Estonian Education Minister Kristina Kallas said.

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[–] misk@piefed.social -2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I think most will agree that „think of the children” is a bs excuse, but if we know this then we shouldn’t debate this but the real reason behind enforcing verification of age, citizenship and people actually being people and not bots.

We’re being overran by LLM bullshit and we’re already overran by political actors astroturfing. We need a way out and that’s the only actionable solution on the table.

[–] luciferofastora@feddit.org 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Unfortunately, it also conveniently hands tools for suppression of opinions to anyone who might be interested in that...

Given the resurgence of authoritarianism, I'm not sure that's a reasonable trade at all.

[–] misk@piefed.social -2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That would be a concern always regardless of who is in power. I already outsourced military, police and healthcare to my government, I can deal with them taking care of checking if people online are people.

[–] luciferofastora@feddit.org 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That would be a concern always regardless of who is in power.

True, but we needn't hand them even more control in a time where freedom of expression is already under siege. Persecution for things you said is one concern. Lowering the hurdles for things like being "banned" from participating in discourse, automated charges for viewing illicit content (particularly dangerous in case of identity theft) or doxxing by malicious actors are far more volatile.

military, police and healthcare

The primary strategic objectives of a state, regardless of government structure*, are those crucial for its survival: to defend its sovereignty against other states and to maintain coherence within. An organised military and some enforcement of the state monopoly on violence to prevent people from robbing, ruining, killing each other, are the most effective ways to achieve that. Healthcare likewise is an important pillar of stability and survival.

The problem with individual tracking is that it gets into that difficult conflict between infringement of liberties and security objectives. I'm not convinced that the gain in security is worth exacerbating the problem with privacy we already have.

[–] misk@piefed.social 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

True, but we needn't hand them even more control in a time where freedom of expression is already under siege. Persecution for things you said is one concern. Lowering the hurdles for things like being "banned" from participating in discourse, automated charges for viewing illicit content (particularly dangerous in case of identity theft) or doxxing by malicious actors are far more volatile.

I was always of opinion that if you were going to be surveilled or controlled online by government that’d happen regardless of whether you have a government ID or if your account is ID verified. We gave up privacy and freedom of who we contact the moment our communications moved to government sanctioned internet and telephony providers.

The primary strategic objectives of a state, regardless of government structure*, are those crucial for its survival: to defend its sovereignty against other states and to maintain coherence within.

My point is that internet is critical infrastructure and ability to exchange ideas on the internet is under siege from state and corporate actor funded troll farms which are now also force multiplied by LLMs. We formed states/governments so that we can act collectively in common interest, including everything from regulating market interactions to societal norms - they are the appropriate tool here since they’re selected mostly democratically.

I don’t want to be so free that I’m only free to be exploited by bullies exercising their freedoms.