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How to Actually Clean Install Windows 11
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I would rather go for Linux but when Windows needed I'd go for LTSB/LTSC version, choose this oobe during install, after install run christitustech debloat script, activate through github script and in register turn off auto download/install updates. 1.4GB ram idle usage while having all you need.
That is still comically high. Arch Linux with DWM gets 100 mb, I've seen gentoo builds with DWM get as low as 40 mb.
KDE looks better than windows and it gets a third of the ram idle usage at most.
Idle RAM usage means literally nothing.
Unless you don't have a lot of ram and don't want to spill over into swap?
Aside from that, why would you say that? So if it idled at 8 GB of ram (which it is on its way to eventually doing) would you still say that?
Do you have any idea how ridiculous of a concept it is that a clean operating system alone idles alone on 4gb of ram? What in the hell are the services doing that would make it idle that high? The bloat stacks too you know, if the code that is used to run services in an operating system is inefficient, it will get proportionally worse the more services and programs you open up.
That has nothing to do with idle RAM. If you are swapping while idle, you have HORRIBLY fucked up. RAM usage is (and should be) determined by memory pressure. When idling, there should be none.
Yes. Idle RAM usage means nothing. You need to measure how much it contributes to memory pressure.
No.
Preloading and caching in otherwise wasted space.
Memory pressure? You mean niceness?
Niceness just gives a program a higher CPU (and thus, RAM) priority.
Your system is still going to swap. The idling ram doesn't magically go away. That's how it works. If it didn't, you start experiencing bugs, crashes, and data loss, because there is no more room in the pool.
Just because a computer is "idle" doesn't mean it isn't doing anything, it is still performing work to stay on, composite your window manager, display it, run services in the background. Those services are still programs that are often vital to the operating system actually functioning, you can't just make that utilization magically disappear because you need more RAM because they tend to have lower niceness values than programs in userspace, even Windows understands that.
Yes, if you are swapping at idle then you indeed did do something horribly wrong, it is a bit comical that you don't realize that proves my point. The explorer.exe devs indeed did something horribly wrong, they released shitty half baked code because managers think more code = harder/better work when it is actually the reverse.
I've never seen windows idle that much from a clean install.
Exactly. Every time before I found out about LTSB and these scripts my idle usage wasn't lower than 3-3.6gb. I went through all those running processes and said myself that there has to be better way. (And boy how I was pissed off when I found out about the telemetry..) It led me to Linux, but sometimes I need to use Windows so I have dual-boot with LTSB.
Not really. I can see why you'd think that but you just compile a kernel that supports what you need. A kernel customized for your hardware can be less than half the size of the default kernel, it's just that it may function ONLY on that hardware.
You're missing the point here. That is to save at best 60 mb. Arch with KDE still maxes out at like 500 mb of usage.
I exactly do this. It switches every services to manual and turn off so many notification bloat. After doing this windows never bothers me. Every app , games, hardware like capture card just works on windows.
But i use linux on my laptop because linux is good for browsing and wordprocessing.
the irony is that the only reason ever for "Windows needed" is because some obnoxious asshole decided they want to force others to use Windows. There's literally nothing that Windows can do better. There is only a quasi monopoly and probably bribes to companies to release no builds for other platforms (e.g. for games).
I agree.
ive heard this for years and i always laugh, "there is nothing windows does that linux doesn't!" yeah, totally man.
name one thing. Besides bluescreens.
Sure, games. Proton/wine came a long ways but it's far from perfect or has the same depth of software as native windows. Also potentially having to mess with lutris can be annoying. Graphics drivers are also better on windows too. If you'd like to try to argue this just look at protondb. Is it a 100% compatible with every title? No? Hmmm.... Not to mention proton triggering some games anti cheats.
It's also why there are several memes including the one posted just yesterday or the day before about "cheating" on Linux with windows for gaming. Plus the whole standard advice ive seen on Lemmy being "Linux for daily driving, windows partition for gaming." Now again, why would that be the standard advice? https://lemmy.world/post/5834366
^---thread in question where Linux gamers commiserate their difficulties getting certain games to run on their Linux systems.
Linux is fine, windows is okay if you disable the telemetry, just use what ever os and software you want but it's really silly to make false claims.
That's not something Windows can do better. That's developers targeting a release only for Windows. Which is exactly the point I made in my original comment that you responded to. Games that have a native release (and even wine, sometimes) typically run faster on a Linux machine than on Windows, because there's less OS garbage overhead.
The only graphics drivers that are "better" are those for new cards when the manufacturer - again - targeted the windows platform.
The whole philosophy of device drivers is unfathomably better on Linux, because it works with chipset drivers and doesn't give a shit about which vendor a specific chipset came from, as long as the API is compatible. Also, almost everything that's not brand new hardware works out of the box on a vanilla install of e.g. debian (and definitely Linux Mint) whereas on Windows have fun installing drivers that come with tons of crapware.
As you said yourself: it's silly to make false claims. Just because some hardware vendors choose to build hardware for which they tailor drivers to windows, that's not a virtue or merit of windows, that's an abuse of monopoly if anything.
A vendor could also release a new graphics card with an internal electronic black box, release a linux driver and then say "haha, look, Windows can't support that". Except that with Linux, at some point, someone will decode the interface and get a working driver in a release somewhere.
You can make up all the reasons you want, the end result is the same. People use windows because the product works better and more reliably. If you want to split hairs be my guest but every metric windows wins against Linux in gaming. It has a higher user base, more software, better support, and as you said even entire businesses developing stuff for it because businesses go where the customers are. Sure you can say "oh they just greased some palms", but if you knew anything about the gaming world that doesn't mean jack shit if your games and hardware sucks. The graveyard of failed hardware and software prove that. As much as I love steam and I'm glad the steam deck is having success every other Linux based hardware attempt they've come up with has failed hard like their console and steam link. And what's your point about some games running better? Some games run worse too, beyond the fact your statement admits not every game runs better, how does that make Linux superior? Your example about companies also doesn't disprove anything because a company can do that...but hasn't in the entire 40+ years of Linux existence...curious isn't it? Also you can program driver's for windows too for devices lol, how else do you think people tinker with stuff? I mean I'm using a PS3 eye as a webcam on my Windows PC rn with custom community made drivers just like Linux does .....
You missed the point completely & argue against straw mans.