Memes of Production

Want is not the same as doing, that takes a lot to drive people to radicalise enough to do so.

Okay, so the argument is that they want to do something against right-wingers, but do nothing. But they want to do something against insufficiently left-wing centrists, and do do that.

Can you outline to me how this is any different than a given neolib saying they really want to stop conservatives, but only ever seem to actually try to nitpick and belittle progressives?

And why criticise a right winger? They won’t read it or learn from it. What a waste of effort, there’s a least some hope to convert a centrist.

Because conversations in the public sphere affect how people conceptualize and internalize ideas, apart from the direct conversants. When right-wing ideas are allowed to spread unchallenged, they become more normalized and change the political leanings of the society as a whole.

And there is no chance of making any change as centrist under such a ‘democracy’, they are fleeting changes that can be revoked by the next person to get into power. Real, lasting change requires revolution not reform or voting.

Okay, but that's separate from the notion that reform or voting are not worthwhile. For that, you have to reject the notion that revolution is affected by conditions in society (which is absurd) and assert that harm to oppressed demographics is immaterial (which is intuitively repugnant).

Reform won't give us socialism. But it alleviates suffering and can put us in a better position to strike for socialism.

The eight-hour day fucking sucks, but without it, we would be in WORSE organizing conditions in the modern day. Universal healthcare does not solve unequal access to healthcare systems, but few would argue that it was pointless for the UK and every other civilized country out there to pass.

In any case, the objection made here is that self-proclaimed leftists who only punch left-of-society's-center, but never seem to find any even vaguely comparable amount of time to punch right-of-society's-center, is legitimately not a fucking good thing.