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That ^2 is a load-bearing exponent which changed my entire perception of safety.

With the oil crisis making it a good time to buy an ebike, I see the same problem popping up on bike forums that I faced when making my original purchase. At least here there's the option between a Class 2 (32kmh max, usable on paved trails) or a Class 3 (45kmh max, limited to roads). When I bought my first bike I got a Class 3 because I'm getting 40%~ more speed for the same price. I could arrive at my destination 40% faster than I do on my cargo bike.

Assuming a rider+bike weight of 100kg and converting the two to m/s: 8.89m/s, 12.5m/s-

Class 2- 0.5(100)(8.89^2)= 3950 Joules of energy. That's what you experience when crashing at max speed, the equivalent of falling off the roof of a building with one floor.

Class 3- 0.5โ€‹(100)(12.5^2)=7,810 J.

Despite the speed only increasing by 40%~, the kinetic energy you experience in that crash almost doubles. The energy your brakes have to absorb to stop, and with that the stopping distance and wear, almost doubles. Your risk of fatality jumps significantly. You are now jumping off the tallest house in your neighbourhood and that is the level of injury you can expect from the slightest mistake.

If you or anyone you know is tempted to get a hyperbike because it goes much faster than a cargo bike, especially beyond the Class 3 speeds that I don't even want to think about the injuries from, that impact force needs to be a primary consideration. I am confident that with proper safety gear I have a 90% chance to survive a crash with injuries that won't last a lifetime. If my cargo bike was Class 3 instead of Class 2, I could not maintain that same level of confidence. It's such a minor difference when you are looking at generic speed numbers but you will crash and that is the standard you need to prepare for.

Buy a Class 2 and maximise your weight-bearing utility over speed. Slow is smooth and smooth is fast.

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[โ€“] happybadger@hexbear.net 1 points 2 days ago

Sidewalk panels was bad word choice. Most of the urban trails here use a larger version of sidewalk panels that seem to have the same material. Generally even the ones that are nearly half a century old are in good condition with a legal speed limit of 32kmh and a courtesy speed limit of 24kmh. The main hazard on those trails comes from tree roots shifting the edges of the panels, but their size means there are few places where it isn't a gradual enough transition to cushion the shock.