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So my girlfriend/myself and her (platonic) partner have a lot of different viewpoints. For starters, the partner, “Alex,” believes that undocumented immigrants are “illegal” and breaking the law, but my girlfriend and I think that immigrants of any kind make countries better. Alex hates ICE because Alex thinks they are at least too brutal, and Alex supports LGBT as a non-binary person but is a Christian with a lot of more “conservative” views (Alex isn’t COMPLETELY conservative, but their views could be considered that).

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[–] Paragone@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

Cultural-diversity PROVABLY increases patent-rate: immigration is, done right, economic gold.

https://henrich.fas.harvard.edu/sites/g/files/omnuum5811/files/2025-07/Posch%2BSchulz%2BHenrich%2B-%2BSurname%2BDiversity%2BInnovation.pdf

Notice I said "done right": Sweden's doing it wrong, & getting highjacked.


Years ago, I read that in Germany, homeschooling was illegal..

& my animal-reaction against that was: "that is WRONG".

through the years, though, seeing how cults use "education" as a means of highjacking countries .. finally I understood the rightness of their position, ON CONDITION THAT the state-education was being done right.

( which it isn't, here in the Americas, no idea how well the EU people are doing it )

Now I understand how excellent education is what is required, & it has to be state provided, & NOT dumbing-down, & not disempowering, & not one-size-fits-all ( obliterating diversity-of-potential for sake of institutional-comfort/establishment )..


Understand that Leninism & fascism both eradicate critical-thinking for sake of .. imprint-reaction programming "education", & that identifies the required-standard for education: 80% of the population NEEDS to be competent in critical-reasoning, consistently, XOR you're sinking, as a country.

In the US, that isn't doable: it's a lost cause.


Now consider what's required to deal with disagreements:

Ideology/prejudice holds that it is the PERSON that is the problem, & conforming/obedience is the only "right" way..

Critical-thinking, however, is issue centered, & it works best when the issue is diagrammed, visual-spacially, this-depends-on-that, this-choice-decides-between-these-2-paths, etc..

until the people considering the meaning can SEE the Pattern of its implications & consequences, see?

Issue-diagrams are THE required means for civilization to survive The Great Filter.

Get the animal-reacting programming out from the process, XOR we're DarwinAward'd as a whole species, this century.


The evidence I linked-to, above, shows that cultural-diversity increases economic generation-of-inventions .. but ideology doesn't care what evidence says.

What makes some person "illegal"?

The fact that some legalism decided they're illegal?

XOR their values?

XOR their religion?

XOR their skin-color?

XOR their gender?

XOR their ancestry?

XOR their location?


Here's a question that your conservative friend will be dealing-with, soon:

Trump put-in-place a 2-sided "coin", to activate later.

1-side of that "coin", ICE, is nearly-completely in-place ( though the incinerators aren't yet being built: those will begin being built when dictatorship's instantiated ).

The de-naturalization law, however, he's been just leaving alone..

Once dictatorship's established ( probably the Insurrection Act, possibly Martial Law, if any terrorism hands him "jutification" ), then he'll de-naturalize all non-Republicans.

Suddenly, ALL Democrats become "illegals".

How does your conservative friend feel about that?

Right there, you're going to face the difference between thinking vs ideological-programming.

I hope they think, but .. it's their choice.

All the Trump-supporters who have been deported ( US Citizens, green-card people, & illegal-immigrants too ) all are evidence that their view isn't objective: they believed that the harm wouldn't touch them, then it did.

Objectivity & correct-reasoning both are required, but so is worldview-adapting-to-evidence, NOT worldview-fighting-off-evidence-that-won't-obey, right?


Try issue-diagramming, so the entire Pattern of each issue is visible, simultaneously, & see if better-quality communication can happen then.

Pencil & paper's fine.

Each node/decision having "pros" closer to the goal, & "cons" on the other side of it, away from the goal..

& see how the decisions form a structure, complete with dependencies.

Maybe that'll help clarify things..


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