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Because they're primarily about training them for a job when they get out.
I never actually met anyone who had been sent to one, and only a couple people even vaguely knew what I was talking about to explain more. To be clear I only know a handful of phrases in Uhygur and Mandarin, most of these conversations happened via google translate, often after a few drinks. I'd usually approach the subject by asking about history and how things have changed over their lifetime, proceeding to "There's more police than anywhere else I've been in China" "did you hear what the western media is saying" and see what they felt like talking about.
They were deemed criminals by the justice system. I have only slightly more faith in the Chinese justice system than other country's, but 1. acab, obviously some innocent people got caught up, and 2. Petty crime shouldn't result in people getting taken away from their family for months.
Yeah no any figures you see estimated by western media either comes from Adrien Zenz's ass or redditors drawing red circles around random buildings on google earth.
It wasn't, people were getting punished by spending months away from their family over petty crime. That's why they stopped it.
I mean. According to who?
So it sounds like they were being over policed and didn't really personally know the extent of it because they weren't deemed criminals and weren't directly affected?
Okay cool.
I got that figure from someone defending China over it iirc so I'm guessing it's accurate if you don't know offhand.
Okay so they stopped it? Does that mean I'm supposed to go back to trusting the government? How do you square that?
Additionally: if a significant portion of the population was imprisoned, especially systematically by race, held against their will, and people were dying as a result of that, I would say that is the beginnings of a genocide. Just like how America is currently perpetuating Black genocide imo. Even if they didn't fully commit or succeed, I can't just go back to trusting that system.
The purpose of the program was to create people who can get jobs and be integrated into the economy. Making someone spend months doing hard labor isn't useful for decreasing terrorism and increasing economic development.
Yes
They mostly chalked it up to the crime and terrorism. They didn't have much a response to "but it's safe now, why are there still so many cops".
Nobody said you should trust the Chinese government, I said you should not trust the US government or help them justify hostile action against foreign countries.
The Uhygur people have their own struggles, that are entirely alien to the stories cooked up in western media.
That's 1 in 20 Uhygurs, I feel like it would have had a more pronounced effect and at that scale, I wouldn't run into people who seemed to have no idea it happened.
I'm pretty confident that didn't happen.