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Past oil crises forced countries to cut fuel use and pay high prices, but now falling prices of clean tech offer another solution.

For context, China just stopped exporting gasoline and diesel

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[–] eleitl@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 day ago (9 children)

News flash: you need fossil fuels to create and maintain renewable infrastructure.

[–] silence7@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That's changing as broader electrification takes hold, and even today, it takes a lot less fossil fuels than just running directly on burning stuff

[–] eleitl@lemmy.zip -2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's not changing, look at the industrial fabrication and supply chain for solar PV and wind. None of that is powered by renewable electricity.

Renewable infra are a fossil multiplier (but not by much), but the total fraction of fossil in primary energy use is effectively constant, because use of fossil fuels is also increasing.

[–] silence7@slrpnk.net 2 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (1 children)

What I see is a system that's steadily shifting from direct fossil fuel use to electricity, and with that, reducing the amount of fossil fuels burned. We're not done making the change, but it has definitely started

[–] eleitl@lemmy.zip 0 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Thing is, there is no energy transition. Renewable infrastructure, built using fossil fuels is stacked on top of rising fossil energy use https://i0.wp.com/ourfiniteworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/02/World-energy-fossil-fuels-vs-add-ons.png?ssl=1

[–] silence7@slrpnk.net 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

That's what the beginning looks like. We're just at the cusp of where renewables growth gets to be fast enough to start winding down fossil fuel use at a global level and not just for a few big territories or countries

[–] eleitl@lemmy.zip 1 points 8 minutes ago

We're already past primary energy use peak per capita, and we're distinctly past net energy use. At the same time, extraction of increasingly dilute mineral resources necessary for technology requires progressively more and more energy.

So I would expect we start losing fossil inputs quickly, since increasingly unable to extract them, while the renewable infrastructure will not have grown sufficiently, and then starting to decline, since we cannot sustain them with renewable energy alone.

At the same time we're going to lose a lot of population (excess deaths of several billions this century), so at least whatever resources are left will last longer than at the current use rate.

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