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Why aren't the human drivers banned from driving, and publicly named and shamed?
Because this data was collected from traffic cameras, which slightly limits the actions that can be taken (notably, because they can't prove who was behind the wheel there are no points on the license). IMO what you should be asking is why has the NPD not stationed a traffic cop around each of these places specifically to catch these guys.
Nope, all of this data is from school zone speed cameras, which can reliably determine speed and automatically issue tickets. Here's last year's report https://transalt.org/reports-list/yn29thckywv9n0qpsv4jb1ab07nryp
The drivers of the cars listed have been ticketed for tens of thousands of dollars, those citations are public due to NYC's open data laws, Transportation Alternatives collates and presents it in map form to demonstrate that fines alone do not make streets safe.
That... is what I said yes. Cameras (I said traffic because I include school zone cameras in that category) detected these cars speeding and issued a ticket to the vehicle's owner, who in these examples is probably the driver, but because the tickets were automatically issued and the cameras can't reliably identify the driver there are no points on the license.
My bad, I did misread. I thought you meant to imply that fines collected is one of the actions that can't be taken, you did not.
Regarding human involvement, I trust a camera a lot more than a cop. And NYC already has over 40,000 cops, it's literally like an army. They don't care.
In the UK we've had speeding cameras all over the country for 20+ years, they get upgraded tech periodically and the majority of them capture photos and a short video clip of every offense and you get auto emailed a ticket to pay or a court summons if over a certain % over the limit. It's the responsibility of the vehicle's registered keeper to know who was driving their car at any point in time. If the registered keeper genuinely can't remember who was driving their car and can't tell from the photos and videos caught by the camera, the registered keeper is who takes the hit for the penalty points / fine
The registered owner does get fined, and in extreme cases like this probably should have their license revoked, but overall I do actually think it's for the best that an automated system can't take away your license.
In the UK this map wouldn't be possible because the drivers responsible would be banned from driving. I feel a lot safer on the streets in the UK as a pedestrian than anywhere in the US.
Then take away the car or boot it until the owner goes to court and proves it was not them driving the car. If you can't prove it you are then the default driver based on ownership. Don't wanna take the heat don't loan out your car.
Huh.. In the UK they just charge you for failing to identify the driver instead.