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[–] mossberg590@lemmy.world 43 points 22 hours ago (3 children)

Sure, a long as those cables are shielded. Crosstalk was a real thing "back in my day".

[–] SanctimoniousApe@lemmings.world 25 points 22 hours ago

Exactly the first thought I had, fellow old-timer.

[–] socsa@piefed.social 8 points 18 hours ago

It still happens, the modern standards just handle these impairments better with line coding, active equalization, and more sensitive modem electronics. And obviously now we have shielding requirements in the PHY for 2.5G and above. But basically as DSP got cheaper and more compact, they were able to throw more compute at the problem which made a huge difference.

[–] YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today 5 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

I don't think I've seen a single data cable that didn't have some kinda shielding since the early nineties.

[–] rainwall@piefed.social 17 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (2 children)

Most ethernet cable is UTP, literally "unshielded twisted pair." Shielded cable is much more expensive and less physically flexible due to the metal jackets, so people dont tend to buy it by default.

You can argue the jacket is shielding, but mostly ethernet cable is not shielded. The braiding will cause problems, but likely very minor ones based on the length of the the run that CRC will compensate for.

[–] stupidcasey@lemmy.world 3 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Would the twisted pairs prevent cross talk between two separate cables like it does individual wires?

[–] CannonFodder@lemmy.world 5 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Yes, in theory. But in practice it depends on the frequencies.
Even if interference is insignificant, looping the wires around a metal core (which braiding does) creates a different impedance and can degrade the signal.

[–] YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today 1 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Get out! From the inductance? How long it a length of wire does it take for that to become an issue?

[–] CannonFodder@lemmy.world 6 points 17 hours ago

It's the wrapping of it around a ferrite core that does it. Surprisingly little can make a difference at certain clock rates. If you take a cat5 cable running 1G and loop it a dozen times in a 6" circle and put a metal screwdriver perpendicular to the loop in its center, you will see a spike in bit errors. Weaving one wire with another isn't going to be as strong of an effect, and it's fiendishly complicated in terms of an e/m problem, but it could easily be significant.

[–] YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today 3 points 20 hours ago

Granted I'm no network engineer. But I have made many of my own cat5's through the years and I have not seen one since I was unable to legally drive.

[–] socsa@piefed.social 3 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

The IEEE specs up to 2.5GBaseT do not specify any shielding for cabling.

[–] YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today 2 points 18 hours ago

That's fair. This is just my limited experience I'm speaking from, and I'm not the one buying the spools.