A few of our users have recently pointed out that a lot of the pro-Zionist accounts on the fediverse nowadays seem to come from the feddit.org instance.

But whatever the excuse happens to be, they need to do better imo. Israel is currently the most violent, fascist and genocidal nation state in the Middle East (if you exclude the US military bases there). And yet feddit.org seems to regard the Palestinians fighting against Israel’s ongoing illegal occupation of their land as the real terrorists. ....

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Our instance already voted to ban pro-Zionist accounts (see https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/60585441 for reference) and the rule that was implemented is here: Golden Rule #8.

As further context, you can find relevant comments and discussion in this post by a banned feddit admin in MoG (that fact they chose to post in MoG is in itself quite telling), and this post about their defederation from quokk.au over anti-semitism allegations has recently become active again. ...

Note 2: If you think feddit.org deserves a full instance ban instead, or have alternative suggestions, then please leave your comments below. If enough people think that’s the better option, then we’ll do that instead.

In the end the Post had around 70% of support by dbzer0 users, who in the comments also called for defederation.

Here is a Link to Dbzer0 instances tab https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/instances where if you go to blocked instances you can see fedddit.org is now defederated

i dont think feddit has made a post now, but when they do i will add it

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[–] lichtmetzger@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (2 children)

In Germany, after national socialism, we have very strict rules on how you are allowed to talk about it, because there were unfortunately a lot of people still denying it or not believing it.

True. But a lot of people on the whole Fediverse seem to be very narrow-minded black-and-white thinkers. In their logic, abiding to the law in Germany is equivalent to following direct orders from the Gestapo. Maybe you just don't want to get arrested and put in jail for running a niche community on the internet, but that's not even an argument to them.

Some people in that db0 thread even suggested feddit.org should just shut down completely, which is ridiculous. Every country must've laws you don't agree with, but you don't run and hide because of that.

This "we vs. them" attitude is exactly what's been criticized about MAGA all of the time, but doing it in this case is perfectly legitimate, somehow. I don't know what kind of brain gymnastics you'll have to do to come to a conclusion like this.

It's just exhausting trying to talk to these people. I say let them shut down their community and hang out in their radicalized bubble. Good riddance.

[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 2 points 13 hours ago

There is no black and white in settler colonialism

[–] LeninWeave@lemmy.ml 0 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

True. But a lot of people on the whole Fediverse seem to be very narrow-minded black-and-white thinkers.

"Black and white thinking" is when you don't like people who defend their defense of genocide by saying "it's the law"?

This “we vs. them” attitude is exactly what’s been criticized about MAGA all of the time, but doing it in this case is perfectly legitimate, somehow. I don’t know what kind of brain gymnastics you’ll have to do to come to a conclusion like this.

"Opposing genocide is the same as being MAGA because of vibes" is really incredible analysis, keep it up.

discuss.tchncs.de

Sometimes I wonder if German instances are a social experiment and our reactions are being recorded and analyzed.

[–] muelltonne@feddit.org -3 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (3 children)

The internet is awesome. You can discuss genocides with someone who named himself after an dictator who did several genocides! Who has a picture of this dictactor in his profile! And this guy is attacking others for "defense of genocide"! Great invention this internet thingy!

[–] LeninWeave@lemmy.ml 3 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

The internet is awesome. You can discuss genocides with someone who named himself after an dictator who did several genocides! Who has a picture of this dictactor in his profile! And this guy is attacking others for “defense of genocide”! Great invention this internet thingy!

We have found the most historically literate feddit user.

[–] muelltonne@feddit.org 1 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

Are you really denying that Lenin killed several millions of people?

[–] agentant@lemmy.ml 3 points 8 hours ago

Genocide is when you kill a bunch of people, apparently.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

Yes. Further, genocide isn't simply killing people, war isn't necessarily genocide even if it results in millions of deaths.

[–] muelltonne@feddit.org 1 points 29 minutes ago

You want an example?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De-Cossackization

And we need to be honest here: Lenin war not a good person. He personally ordered the murder of thousands of people and the Red Terror is not "simply killing people".

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml -1 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

What genocides did Lenin commit? How was he a "dictator?" Do you have any idea what you're talking about, or are you just saying things like this to avoid needing to have an actual point?