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without cops it would be chaos (quokk.au)

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[–] Kacarott@aussie.zone 22 points 2 months ago (11 children)

I do really think that in small communities, there would be no problem abolishing the police. But the problem I see which I don't think I've seen a good argument for, is how it can work at scale. We generally live in much larger and denser communities than the native peoples lived, so it seems like the strategies they used to handle bad-actors won't work in the same way for us.

[–] Zombie@feddit.uk 6 points 2 months ago (7 children)

Here's something to think about:

Why do we live in much larger and denser communities now?

For the majority of human existence we've lived in rural communities. What drove the urbanisation of rural populations?

During covid many places saw the reverse, ruralisation of urban populations. In an anarchist utopia that has removed capitalism, do you think people would stick with large dense urban environments or, like during covid, begin to ruralise again?

If you're unsure of what your opinion is on these questions. Somewhere to start could be looking at the Scottish Highland clearances, the Industrial Revolution in the UK, and the textile industry of the British Empire. All are major factors as to why Scotland urbanised. Most countries urbanised for similar reasons, but these examples are very well documented and very overt so make it more clear than many other places do.

[–] stray@pawb.social 3 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I feel that this is relevant to the discussion:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behavioral_sink

Behavioral sink is a term invented by ethologist John B. Calhoun to describe a collapse in behavior that can result from overpopulation.

Many [female rats] were unable to carry the pregnancy to full term or to survive delivery of their litters if they did. An even greater number, after successfully giving birth, fell short in their maternal functions. Among the males the behavior disturbances ranged from sexual deviation to cannibalism and from frenetic overactivity to a pathological withdrawal from which individuals would emerge to eat, drink and move about only when other members of the community were asleep.

Having reached a level of high population density, the mice began exhibiting a variety of abnormal, often destructive, behaviors including refusal to engage in courtship, and females abandoning their young. By the 600th day, the population was on its way to extinction. Though physically able to reproduce, the mice had lost the social skills required to mate.

"Calhoun's work was not simply about density in a physical sense, as number of individuals-per-square-unit-area, but was about degrees of social interaction."

Obviously rodent studies are only so applicable to humans, but I see myself and worrying modern societal tends in some of their behavior and the ways they suffer.

I think that when we interact with too many strangers every day that we're unable to make meaningful connections with any of them, leading to stress and illness. If we had few enough encounters that we could come to recognize most of them, it would build trust and a sense of community.

[–] fracture@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 months ago

as someone who's work has me gradually increasing the number of people i meet on a regular basis... this is interesting LOL

feels like this is, ultimately, the work of organizing

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