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BMW struggles to keep up with demand as new iX3 sells out through 2026 (m.arenaev.com)

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[–] tankplanker@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You really haven't, VW demonstrated its easy to set a custom run routine because its a set criteria if you apply your mind to it. EVs are no different at all to diesels in that they can be optimized. All you've done is hand waving, "no they didn't", which isn't exactly proving anything. Meanwhile they have the furthest out set of results of any EV, so I know what we have more evidence for.

Its the latest model of the Tesla that's beaten the EPA mileage, the one you have referenced here:

You are looking at old reviews. Ones in the last year or so show the opposite.

and you said you would get more reviews for, but failed to do:

It is definitely not. I’ll try and send you a bunch later. There are at least a dozen that all came to the same consensus.

You need to show how a mid life refresh can result in an easy 25% improvement in efficiency from previous tests from the same tester, because to me thats just more hand waving using completely different cars. We are talking about Tesla here

[–] artyom@piefed.social 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

You really haven't

I really have:

They can optimize for those criteria in a way that might not reflect the "real world"

VW demonstrated its easy to set a custom run routine...EVs are no different at all to diesels in that they can be optimized

I'm so confused. VW did not "optimize" anything, they cheated. You started out saying Tesla was not cheating (like VW) and now you repeatedly seem to suggest that they are. Which one is it?

Meanwhile they have the furthest out set of results of any EV

You are contradicting your own self. How do we know that? Based on "real life" testing/experience? Which you have suggested is useless?

and you said you would get more reviews for, but failed to do:

And I will but I also have shit to do so you're going to have to wait.

You need to show how a mid life refresh can result in an easy 25% improvement in efficiency

There was no improvement in efficiency. The improvement was in the testing methodology.

You're just hand-waving the more rational explanation.

[–] tankplanker@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You can't optimise for the test, thats what VW did, they optimised fuel flow, power, etc. A)and thats what got the huge fine because its cheating. They didn't get out and push the car round or fit hidden fuel tanks.

You're the one who defined these tests as real world, me i will take an average of results excluding outliers adding weight to real owners results.

For this, nobody was getting over 300 miles from normal, mixed driving. This test at 330 miles ish, lmao.

I also don't live in a fantasy land that the car can get this level of economy. Also the 2026 year did have some modest boosts to efficency, nowhere near a 25% increase that these results show.

Honestly this pedantry and lack of any evidence all you have? You haven't even looked at the details of the test for the 2026 car.

[–] artyom@piefed.social 1 points 2 days ago

You can't optimise for the test

Yes you absolutely can.

thats what VW did, they optimised fuel flow, power, etc

Again, they did not "optimize" anything, they cheated by running a completely different fuel map in production than they did in testing.

You're the one who defined these tests as real world

Call them what you want, I'm not engaging in a semantics argument over it.

real owners results

LOL sounds a lot like "real world" results to me.

Also the 2026 year did have some modest boosts to efficency

Tesla does not have model years. They had small increases with the "highland" Model 3. This does not coincide with the changes from EPA.

Honestly this pedantry and lack of any evidence all you have?

Your failure to understand the situation is not pedantry.