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Lemmy has no censorship-free mechanism to counter ass hattery (infosec.pub)

submitted 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) by activistPnk@slrpnk.net to c/Fediverse@infosec.pub

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Just like with Reddit, there is always some jackass who cannot resist the urge to post threadcrap, as we see in the linked thread.

Sometimes we don’t want a thread of clowns. We want sophisticated intellectuals, not children, to generate an insightful and thought-provoking comments.

So how can the tools be made to accommodate?

comment removal is tyrannical

Lemmy has a blunt Elon-style chainsaw: comment removal. WTF.. can’t we be more intelligent than this? It’s exreme, yet exclusively reserved for the moderator. It serves a good purpose, but it’s not a good way to deal with clowns whose content does not qualify as spam.

Let the clowns have their say, but it should not clutter or detract from articulate chatter.

voting does not work

No, voting is not the fix. It’s shitty at making that separation b/c votes reflect emotion, not articulation. Intelligent discussion is relatively boring to most people and does not trigger emotion, so it gets buried under garbage.

Give me a thread-splitting option

The OP tags comments that don’t have a shred of intelligence (like those in the linked thread). But let’s not censor them. Let the clowns have their fun. Those tagged comments get put into a separate branch, accessible to everyone by clicking on a clown head. The default thread remains unpolluted with trash.

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[–] activistPnk@slrpnk.net 1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Perhaps comments are the non-censorship way to combat comments that provide little value.

Two problems with this:

engaging threadcrappers and trolls stimulates them (“don’t feed the trolls”). Even downvotes are a positive for them b/c they know they triggered someone.
when the thread becomes trashed, this discourages intellectuals. They step into a place of garbage and think “I’m not going to put energy into a comment that will be buried in a hot mess of other garbage and possibly have to fend off assholes myself”. IOW, it’s not just the OP who is damaged -- it’s all those who want a civil discussion.

Readers don’t have time to pick through garbage, but the OP does (as they get notifications).

But it sounds like your solution would force your preferred paradigm on everyone.

Everyone already is forced by a paradigm -- one of a single master with limited time and blunt tools.

The OP is a stakeholder who invested constructively into the thread. If an OP does not value their own investment in time and labor, they would not have to use a platform that empowers them to organise clowns and hecklers into a separate branch of visiblity. The popularity of the idea would be evident in who chooses to post under that paradigm.

In fact, it could be configured on a post-by-post basis. If you create a new post, you could have a tickbox “do you want to have clown control?” If they tick the YES box, the trolls may not even bother with such threads (good!). If they tick the NO box, the OP gets more engagement (but they may not like the result).