Australia

Yeah nah. I get where youre coming from on wanting the community to be safe, thats fair enough and no one wants to see another tragedy like bondi or port arthur. You're argument isn't very good though.

First off saying the vast majority of aussies agree doesnt really prove something is right or moral does it. like majority views have been dead wrong on loads of things throughout history so thats not a great foundation for truth.

Then theres this idea that more guns automatically means more murder and the global picture actually shows thats pretty shaky. Look at places like switzerland or new zealand with decent gun ownership but way lower murder rates than plenty of countries with tight restrictions.

Own australian experience is worth a look. After the 96 reforms we saw gun crime and shootings drop and stay low which kinda shows our current laws work pretty effectively for what theyre designed to do. So the system as it is has been a success story overall. Almost all gun crime in aus is DV and that's more a reflection of our femicide problem since plenty of blokes are murdering women without them.

Another thing is you mentioned needing to avoid another massacre before getting rid of hobby licenses but then if you look at the uk which has way stricter gun laws they've had a bunch of terrible terror attacks using knives and vehicles and homemade stuff or acid. Basically determined bad guys like these daesh sympathising cunts will find a way regardless which means maybe the focus should be on who gets guns not just how many exist. We live in a world where can 3d print a semi auto pistol, I don't like it but we do.

Also gotta remember not all guns are the same right, a bolt action 22lr rifle used for target shooting or farming pests presents a totally different risk profile compared to a shotgun or a handgun, or even a bolt actiom in 303. The law already mostly recognises that with different license categories and storage rules. I think we're a bit lax with 223 and 308 rounds in particular, preferring the handgun licensing model myself. I'd also like to see restrictions on ammo stockpiling and having to keep a log of rounds discharged vs purchased but that's not the convo anyone is having. treating all guns and rounds with a broad brush is just silly.

in the end i reckon its fair enough to have the conversation about community safety and thats what our national agreement was all about. but the arguments gotta be built on solid evidence and consistent logic not just feelings or what everyone down the pub reckons.